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viddy



Joined: 07 Jan 2004
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Location: London, England

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:54 pm    Post subject: AEON overtime Reply with quote

Just a quick question:

On AEON's webpage it says that the working hours are 36 hours/week. The basic monthly salary is 255,000 Yen per month and the overtime rate is stated as 3,000 Yen per hour AFTER 25 hours.

Is overtime paid ON TOP OF the basic salary i.e. for the 11 hours ON TOP OF the 25 hours? Therefore does the monthly salary usually work out to around 288,000 Yen?

Or is that just wishful thinking?! Wink Laughing
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Glenski



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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From their web site:
"Teachers will not teach more than twenty-five hours a week or they will be paid overtime. "

My guess is that the 11 hours over this are the break periods included, whether you use them for meals, interviewing students, toilet, sleeping, or lesson prep. Teachers usually get paid for 25 classroom hours a week at that relatively standard wage.

If you are really in doubt, why ask here? Ask AEON directly. It's a simple question they should have no problems answering.
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viddy



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the help Glenski. Much appreciated.
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guest of Japan



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AEON classes are 50 minutes long. To go above 25 teaching hours you have to teach 30 or more classes a week. That almost never happens.

You are not paid overtime for your prep time either. If you stay extra every night because you feel you are busy do not expect to see a penny for it. It will not come. You will get paid overtime if you work a day off or come in a few hours early at the request of the manager.

Usually new teachers cannot fulfill all their duties in their scheduled times at the school. They often come in early, work late, or work on their days off. This is out of necessity and not at the request of the manager. It is often that the teachers put in more than 50 hours a week. None of these bonus hours are paid. Experienced teachers usually start and leave at the appointed times because they have learned better time management skills, have files on hand for their lessons which they only need to adjust rather then invent, and because they grow sick of the free overtime that they put in in the early months.
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shmooj



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guest of Japan wrote:
AEON classes are 50 minutes long. To go above 25 teaching hours you have to teach 30 or more classes a week. That almost never happens.

You are not paid overtime for your prep time either. If you stay extra every night because you feel you are busy do not expect to see a penny for it. It will not come. You will get paid overtime if you work a day off or come in a few hours early at the request of the manager.

Usually new teachers cannot fulfill all their duties in their scheduled times at the school. They often come in early, work late, or work on their days off. This is out of necessity and not at the request of the manager. It is often that the teachers put in more than 50 hours a week. None of these bonus hours are paid. Experienced teachers usually start and leave at the appointed times because they have learned better time management skills, have files on hand for their lessons which they only need to adjust rather then invent, and because they grow sick of the free overtime that they put in in the early months.

...and quite possibly because they don't care less any more Wink
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unchi pants



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
...and quite possibly because they don't care less any more


Is it a crime to want a life? It's one thing to be a dedicated teacher, but there's nothing wrong in my opinion, wanting to work LESS than fifty hours a week. If people have other interests in life, it doesn't automayically make them a bad teacher.
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guest of Japan



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there is a difference between workaholic and dedicated teacher. I just haven't figured out exactly what it is yet.
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BuddhaRhubarb



Joined: 22 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shmooj wrote:

...and quite possibly because they don't care less any more Wink



from the smiley it seems you are wagging a bit here shmooj...

but actually, yeah sometimes that happens of course, some people stop caring...the guy i replaced used to take naps when he had downtime, and never stood up while teaching!

i have never bothered being more than half an hour early or staying half an hour after work, for various paperwork/interviews what have you, and i get nothing but raves about my attitude and professionalism...most nights i am out the door in time to catch the 9:20 train actually.

once you "get" the (insert school name here) method and if you share your ideas with your coworkers, and ask for advice from same...you shouldnt feel pressure to work a lot of extra hours....i am scheduled to teach 28 classes a week (usually its only 26 or 25 tho) and i have plenty of time to prepare, help out around the office and so on. its not rocket science, nor is it the army... Wink
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear guest of Japan,

"I think there is a difference between workaholic and dedicated teacher. I just haven't figured out exactly what it is yet."

Perhaps these:

Workaholics don't know what to do with leisure time, demand perfection and make work when none is really needed. It's an addiction, and, as such, is a form of insanity.

Dedicated teachers value their "downtime" (because they know it helps make them even better teachers), do the best they can, but know perfection is unattainable and are quite willing to use whatever "short-cuts" and "timesavers" they've learned over the years. They're sane.

Regards,
John
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guest of Japan



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll buy that for a dollar.
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viddy



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know when the AEON set vacations are? I think there's one in the summer and one in the winter.
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guest of Japan



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Year, Golden Week and Obon. That's January, May, and August if you're not sure.
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