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meyanga



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: is a Masters really worth it? Reply with quote

Have seen an ad for teachers at HCT requiring TESOL Diploma + 3 years experience.

Is there a big difference in salary for teachers with a Masters and those with Diploma?

I am close to finishing the Diploma and was considering going on to do a
Masters with a view to heading for UAE, probably Dubai. But at �2000 Shocked minimum for a Masters, it seems a lot to pay if it isn't required.

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smedini



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not in the Emirates yet but am heading there in a year's time (hopefully!), once my Masters is complete. We (my family and I) were going to try to go there this coming summer but decided to wait until after I graduate...that decision was made solely on the fact that we were (and still are) under the impression that going to the UAE without a Masters is not a good idea, financially speaking.

But I could be wrong...listen to the experienced ones...I've just been here testing waters and finding out as much info as I can Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about current pay scale, but a few years back my friend started at HCT w/ a diploma and many years of experience. I believe her starting monthly salary was around 9500 dirhams. I don't know that she would have been hired if it weren't for the fact that her well-papered and well-qualified husband was hired, as well.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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smedini



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick note about HCT and the Masters...when we were thinking of heading to the UAE before my degree was finished I applied there and and my application was flat out rejected because I didn't have a Masters. I had called HR to reiterate that I'd be finished the degree within a year of being hired but was still told no. They suggested that I try with the cert faculty but because my undergraduate degree was not in education or English language, it was still a no-go. That's when we started to think I'd get a job where ever I could until my Masters was finished, but then thought better of it.
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meyanga



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks guys...one more thing


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Having a masters makes very little difference in what you get paid (about 4% higher with a masters). However, if you don't have one and you want to teach English at HCT, you probably won't get the job unless you have many years of experience. If they do hire you without one, you will be asked to finish one within the contract.


if this is the case, then why are they advertising for positions with Diploma + 3 years experience? Is it possible they have difficulty recruiting and have changed their policy?

What constitutes many years of experience?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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meyanga



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello again! Smile

As well as advertising jobs with these requirements on other sites, this is from HCT's website,

Requirements-

Master's Degree in TEFL or Bachelor's Degree and TEFL Diploma
3 years teaching experience

Experience in curriculum development and student assessment
Knowledge of contemporary teaching practices and computer assisted learning

Please - if any of you know if this is not the reality and there are few teachers employed with no Masters - let me know.

My kids are still of nursery age and wouldn't be covered in the educational allowance so have put off a move for the next couple of years. If, despite what they say, there is, in reality, a requirement for a Masters at HCT, then I could do it.

Not that I am against professional development or education, it's just that �2000 is a lot of money and if I don't actually have to do it, then I can think of better ways to spend the money (that I don't have anyway!) Crying or Very sad Trying to work and study with two little ones is not the easiest!

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meyanga



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi like2answer

posted last message before I saw your one. Thanks for the advice. Smile

I have MA History, CELTA, soon to be had DELTA and by the time I am thinking of applying I will have 10 years experience - overseas and here in UK. UK experience is at universities and colleges. I have a lot of academic experience.

When you say that HCT will ask you to get Masters within 3 years, does that mean that you continue to work and do it by distance?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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seven seas



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're thinking of working in the UAE, then an MA is pretty much essential.

There are enough qualified pros chasing the few jobs on offer for employers to be mega-fusy.
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meyanga



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

like2answer wrote:
Meyanga,

Believe me. You really need to get your masters.
Denial is a nice place to visit, but please don't try to live there (and don't drink the water).


Laughing Laughing Laughing

Denial is indeed a beautiful place. Wish I could stay. Off to fill in my application for that Masters!

Thanks for bursting my bubble guys!!

Very Happy
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: is a Masters really worth it? Reply with quote

meyanga wrote:
I am close to finishing the Diploma and was considering going on to do a
Masters with a view to heading for UAE, probably Dubai. But at �2000 Shocked minimum for a Masters, it seems a lot to pay if it isn't required.

I suspect that the website (plus the ads that have run lately) is written as it is because there are times ... like when the semester begins tomorrow and they need 2 more teachers for those extra 50 students that they suddenly have ... when they have to hire someone with lower credentials.

But, speaking realistically, if you can get an MA for 2000... which is about $4000 these days... why not? I see that amount as phenomenally cheap!! Without a scholarship, in the US that would cover about 25% of an MA. The last MA - in that I priced here in the US in 2001 was $35,000 (plus books and fees and and)... that's about 70.000 Sterling. Shocked Shocked

Glad to hear that you are going to do it. You should have that tuition money back by the time you finish the contract, and the extra salary that it gets you will continue to add up.

VS
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Sheikh Inal Ovar



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: is a Masters really worth it? Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:


But, speaking realistically, if you can get an MA for 2000... which is about $4000 these days... why not? I see that amount as phenomenally cheap!! Without a scholarship, in the US that would cover about 25% of an MA. The last MA - in that I priced here in the US in 2001 was $35,000 (plus books and fees and and)... that's about 70.000 Sterling. Shocked Shocked



I know we weren't all accountants before we entered TEFL ... and I know you were one - because you keep telling us ... but isn't there a slip-up here ... or has the dollar recovered ..

    from $2 to the pound

    to $0.5 to the pound

I'd be delighted to hear that it has ...
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007



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, VS is a retired accountant expert, and it seems she was using the wrong calculator (made in USA!) Laughing
VS, try to use a Chinese calculator!
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