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willy

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Posts: 215 Location: Samarinda,Kalimantan,Indonesia(left TW)
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:58 pm Post subject: teaching for a living or to traveling |
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That�s the? A traveler can live on $ while some one teaching for a living can live on $$$.
In INDOI traveler 6,000,000 living 15,000,000RP
In TW traveler and living are the same but a traveler plays games and a teacher dosent. Its 60,000- 70,000NT |
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ls650

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: teaching for a living or to traveling |
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willy wrote: |
That�s the? A traveler can live on $ while some one teaching for a living can live on $$$.
In INDOI traveler 6,000,000 living 15,000,000RP |
In Jakarta I earn about 10 million Rp and bank about half... |
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FGT

Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I don't understand a word of the original post. Can anyone translate it into English for me, please? I'm a cretin, I know. |
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leeroy
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 777 Location: London UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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I think I could do a spelling/grammar lesson on it  |
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foster
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 485 Location: Honkers, SARS
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Is the question whether we teach because we like to teach or whether we teach to save for traveling? (That is what I infered from the title). However, the information contained in the post neither supported or clarified the title.
OR...are we comparing TEACHING wages full time to TRAVELING wages of backpackers or tourists who teach for a short period of time and then move on?  |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:00 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I have a serious issue with the notion that some occupation is the ticket to travelling while all other occupations condemn you to lead a sedentary life.
Only after I had travelled extensively throughout the world, not the least in the country of my residence, did I feel I belonged here for any amount of time as a salaried person. |
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Belmont
Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 125 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Roger wrote: |
Personally, I have a serious issue with the notion that some occupation is the ticket to travelling while all other occupations condemn you to lead a sedentary life.
Only after I had travelled extensively throughout the world, not the least in the country of my residence, did I feel I belonged here for any amount of time as a salaried person. |
Roger,
"Some" occupations, not in the humanities (EFL and such), provide you the means to travel when you WANT to because you can AFFORD to. Engineers and scientists make lots of money so they can leave their "sedentary" jobs and stay in those swell hotels that we lowly EFL'ers walk past on our way to our low paid jobs at the language school! I only wish I were "left-brained"! |
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willy

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Posts: 215 Location: Samarinda,Kalimantan,Indonesia(left TW)
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ls650 you bank half? Do you drink? Smoke or go out to dinner? What do you live in?
When I first got here I too banked about that.
Rented a room no a/c bath outside cooked on a kerosene stove ate on the street didn�t drink, see movies, eat western food�
Now I live in a house cook on gas have internet, 3 a/c`s, a maid, cable, eat pizza and live like I would at home. Wife and baby too
Let�s see rent 2.5, power 340, internet 750, phone1.1 maid 350 and movies 260 (1 a week) that�s 5.3mil, o forgot food and then there is the bla bla bla.
That�s it Foster if you are traveling and teach to travel its ok a little extra is all you need. However, if you are a teacher trying to live you need to get paid accordingly. That�s why EF pays 6 mil and JIKS pays 1,900US.
The schools like the young travelers best; why? You can treat them badly and pay them poorly knowing that there is another one to take he place. A friend of mine got hit by her DOS and she left. And you know the DOS got another one soon after.
Another DOS just cleans house every year, �we need to get rid of the bad apples and start fresh" 1.5 years 150% turn over hum? |
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FGT

Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Willy,
I am an ageing, semi-computer literate, British teacher of English. I find your posts EXTREMELY difficult to understand. Do you use the same language in your classes? Can you write "normal" English? Personally, I would be grateful if you could communicate in a common tongue.
Thanking you in anticipation,
Yours etc |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I agree FGT.
I find the the Telegraph's Cryptic crossword easier( I haven't yet completed one yet without Snoopy or Guty's help) |
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Belmont
Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 125 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:30 pm Post subject: code |
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In Willy's last post he mentioned EF and EWIK (can't see post to get the spelling) Any clues as to what those mean? Thanks.
Where in the world is our Willy anyway  |
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ls650

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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willy wrote: |
Ls650 you bank half? Do you drink? Smoke or go out to dinner? What do you live in?
Now I live in a house cook on gas have internet, 3 a/c`s, a maid, cable, eat pizza and live like I would at home. Wife and baby too
Let�s see rent 2.5, power 340, internet 750, phone1.1 maid 350 and movies 260 (1 a week) that�s 5.3mil, o forgot food and then there is the bla bla bla. |
I share a large house with 4 teachers. I live a reasonably western lifestyle, dine out often, have a mad who cooks and cleans Monday through Friday, AC, cable TV, a computer with internet. I'm not a heavy drinker and have maybe one or two beers a day.
Because I share a house and don't chat a lot on the phone, those costs are a lot lower. Having a maid who shops at a traditional pasar saves a lot on grocery costs. I spend perhaps 2 or 3 million per month on western-style living, and perhaps 2 million per month on holiday travel. I usually bank about 5 million each month to wire home. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:26 am Post subject: |
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The schools like the young travelers best; why? You can treat them badly and pay them poorly knowing that there is another one to take he place |
That fits Chinese language schools and some colleges to a T. |
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willy

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Posts: 215 Location: Samarinda,Kalimantan,Indonesia(left TW)
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Ls650, most excellent! I wish I could make that I need at least 6.5 to 7.5.
Hay Belmont, you are reading the Indonesian posts most know that EF =English First and JIKS is the Jakarta International Korean School. Do you want to teach in Indo. Or just looking around?
FGT, sorry its Indo-glish for me not English.
And of course anyone who would drive a 43 year old but into the desert thinks a little deferent. (I konw that gas pump is here some where) |
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Wolf

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 1245 Location: Middle Earth
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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I've traveled to Toronto, The US, and Macau.
I've lived in Nova Scotia, China and Japan.
In China and Japan I taught EFL. In Nova Scotia, I was a student. In The US, Macau, and Toronto, I was a gawking tourist.
I hope that answers it. |
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