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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:37 am    Post subject: headphones in the staffroom? Reply with quote

Do you think they should be allowed?
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ntropy



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, you lot are so noisy it's sometimes the only way to block you out and be able to concentrate on tasks such as correcting writing.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you asking because you don't like that other teachers are wearing them in the staffroom, or because you want to but are not allowed?

It can make it hard to approach people when they have headphones on. I personally think it is quite antisocial to sit in a full staffroom listening to music, etc regardless of whether it is allowed or not.

My school doesn't have rules aginst it and the Japanese staff all know that I listen to audiobooks when I am alone in the staffrooms (some of them have tried listening to them; interested to see if they could understand or not). But as soon as any one enters I always switch off, regardless of whether it is a JTE or not. And I always put them away inbetween lessons when students are in and out of the staffrooms, since they are not allowed to bring mp3s into school at all.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm asking because I'm curious to know how others feel. They were allowed in our staffroom until today. Many wore them, mostly to shut others out and concentrate on their work. Myself, I sometimes used them to get fired up listening to something on youtube or while watching live sports, for example, the NBA playoffs. I don't know how I feel about it. I believe those who need to shut people out will be most disappointed.
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ripslyme



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: headphones in the staffroom? Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
Do you think they should be allowed?


Sure. When I worked in a staffroom I didn't see a need to myself, but it seemed perfectly reasonable when other teachers (both foreign and Japanese) did so - for both work related and non-work related listening purposes.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This country has enough people who shut themselves out of the rest of society. Socialize or read a book if you have to sit in a social place. Take your headphones to the library or a closet or an LL.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't automatically consider headphones antisocial. If the teacher is generally sociable, I'd just assume s/he wants to relax to music between lessons. It's not like you can't get the person's attention if you need something.

The problem is, quite simply, that we're talking about Japan. Headphones surely don't fit expectations for the Japanese workplace. Some staff will object to headphones on those grounds, and other staff might be envious. I don't think it's asking too much to save the headphones for lunchtime or the train.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good one, Vince!
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vince wrote:
I wouldn't automatically consider headphones antisocial. If the teacher is generally sociable, I'd just assume s/he wants to relax to music between lessons. It's not like you can't get the person's attention if you need something.


But many people would be hesitant to disturb that person who is trying to relax. Listening to music and whatnot is definately a great way to relax, but unfortunately the presence of headphones are read by many people as a "do not disturb" sign.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with seklarwia. That describes better what I meant to say.

You have to admit, today's youth walk around in a haze, with headphones on while riding bikes or buses, while walking in halls or down streets. They are also notorious for shutting themselves off from the world by hiding in their rooms and "playing" with their cell phones. Young teachers are often in this mode, too, during work hours. Even the most sociable person has an air of "do not disturb" when they sit in a public place (staff room, lunch room) wearing headphones.
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Vince



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:
But many people would be hesitant to disturb that person who is trying to relax. Listening to music and whatnot is definately a great way to relax, but unfortunately the presence of headphones are read by many people as a "do not disturb" sign.

No more so than reading a book. Regardless, there is obviously a middle ground. Getting all bent out of shape over someone occasionally popping in the headphones is a bit much, just as is always being tucked in the corner with headphones on and eyes closed. I have no qualms about interrupting the music for a work matter, because it's work and we're on the clock. If it's just to share the latest joke or vent about a tough lesson, I don't expect my coworkers to always be available for that.

All of this is beside the point, because, as I wrote in my last post, it's ultimately an inappropriate practice for a Japanese workplace.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think wearing headphones makes someone antisocial. And I think that if people want to be antisocial that is okay too.

I really like people, but when I am trying to work (which is usually the reason I would be in the staffroom), then I need to create my own space even among other people. Some may do this with headphones. I had my own ways.

I think it just depends on preference and style.

Now, if the headphones are so loud that others can hear them...that is another story. I would disagree with that because it interrupts others from doing their work, and clearly that's not okay.

Just my thoughts.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vince wrote:
No more so than reading a book.

When people read a book and you call their name, they can usually hear you, while people with headphones on may or may not hear you. Headphones say "don't disturb" much more than reading a book.

And yes, I think they're inappropriate for most workplaces. (And the really loud ones that you can hear from 10m away are inappropriate outside of your own home) Razz
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vince wrote:
I have no qualms about interrupting the music for a work matter, because it's work and we're on the clock.


You might not but I certainly would think twice and I have a feeling that many of the often overly polite Japanese would probably have a problem with doing so at all. My collegues fall over themselves and begin this ridiculous apology routine if they so much as ask me a question before realising I have a pen or scissors in my hand. And you should see what happens when they need advice on how to correct a student's English or rewording test questions whilst I'm actually marking... there is no way they would ever gather the courage to approach me should I stick headphones in whilst I was doing anything.

Vince wrote:
All of this is beside the point, because, as I wrote in my last post, it's ultimately an inappropriate practice for a Japanese workplace.


I agree with you totally here.

If you are not allowed them, then you are not allowed. But if they don't have rules against them, then you should consider yourself fortunate since headphones most certainly do not fit with the Japanese work practice. Try not to do anything that might cause your employer to ban them.

Because I only have them on when I am alone and never in front of the students, I'm hoping that I won't contribute to my school feeling it is necessary to rule against headphones in the future *crosses fingers*
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though I haven't been a JET in ages, I'd like to pull out the old JET mantra: ESID - Every Situation Is Different.

As I posted earlier, in my experience in a Japanese staffroom (at a private elementary school) both Japanese and foreign teachers used headphones for work and non-work related purposes. It was different at other schools I've worked at. The policy, be it written or unwritten, varies from school to school.

Look around the room. If no one is using headphones, then don't. If other teachers are using them, go for it.
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