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inchinanow
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 Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:40 am Post subject: 10,000 RMB per month |
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| I have been offered 10,000 RMB per month to teach science at a Private School near Beijing. I have a B.S. Degree from a Western University. The apartment is provided for about 300 RMB per month and I believe meals are free. My question is this: Do you think that 10,000 RMB per month is adequate? |
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jibbs
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| I'd guess most foreign teachers earn less than 8 K, from their main job anyway. |
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TexasHighway
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| On the surface, it sounds good but the devil is in the details. How many teaching hours, office hours, staff meetings, English corners or other obligations? Show us the whole picture, not just salary, and we can give the offer a more realistic appraisal. In the words of the song, Hotel California, "it could be heaven or it could be hell"! |
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eddy-cool
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This is quite an obvious case of underpaying for a position for which a Science degree is required. 10'000 would be a fine salary for an English teacher; those that teach OTHER subjects (using English as the language of instruction) generally make considerably more.
You should be looking at a starting salary of 15'000. |
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eddy-cool
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| aiyaa... just noticed you only have a Bachelor's and you mentioned no teaching experience. These two limiting factors may drive down your bargaining power. |
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Lister
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I can't comment on the salary but 300 RMB a month sounds very cheap for an apartment. How close to Beijing is it?
Sounds like it could be on campus, can you live with that? Can you get into your place after 10pm or is do they close the gates?
Meals are provided but do you want to live on institutional food? Can you cook in your 'apartment'?
These are the questions I'd be asking. |
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inchinanow
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� I have teaching experience.
� The apartment is on campus.
� The teaching hours are about 18 to 22 hours per week.
� Meals are provided.
� The contract is for 6 months.
� I have spoken with other teachers at the school. They say the living and working situation is good.
� I just worry that the pay is too low for a Science Degree. They say in their literature that the pay range is between 8000 to 12,000 RMB per month. |
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vikuk
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Free canteen food isn't a perk - it's a sentence. Part of the fun of being in China is eating - and visiting diffrent restaurants - lunches with colleagues and friends!!!!
Free food could mean that you're not allowed off campus during break-time - yes some schools have rules that teachers must remain on campus even during long lunchtime breaks. Some schools are situated so far out in the sticks - there are hardly any places to eat off campus!!!! |
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eddy-cool
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I knew a British chemistry and physics teacher that raked in two-and-a-half times your salary but then again he had to work over 20 hours a week and sit in an office for another ten hours or so. That was his starting salary; it later plungede suddenly because he had made the mistake of quitting, then returning.
Is your contract renewable? If not - you might have to settle for something else paying less. |
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Ms Bean
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| inchinanow wrote: |
I just worry that the pay is too low for a Science Degree. They say in their literature that the pay range is between 8000 to 12,000 RMB per month. |
What will you teach? Food Science or Rocket Science?
Take a look at what similar positions pay relative to other positions in other disciplines in a PUBLIC Chinese university that require only a BS. That'll give you a point of reference.
I can't imagine a BS from a western university being worth much more in China than a BA in English in China. In the U.S., one cannot even teach in a university with less than an MA or an MS.
FWIW: if you consider world economic conditions, being paid RMB 8,000-12,000 and being given a roof over your head in exchange for your qualifications is a sweet deal. |
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inchinanow
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| Definitely not Rocket Science. |
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Lorean
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:51 am Post subject: Re: 10,000 RMB per month |
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| inchinanow wrote: |
| I have been offered 10,000 RMB per month to teach science at a Private School near Beijing. I have a B.S. Degree from a Western University. The apartment is provided for about 300 RMB per month and I believe meals are free. My question is this: Do you think that 10,000 RMB per month is adequate? |
First, are you teaching science? Beware, this is China. Schools will lie to sign you up. They might just want you to teach English. In which case....
Salaries for English teachers are a lot lower than non-English teachers. For science or math at a private school in Beijing you should be looking at 200 RMB per 40 minute class absolute minimum, possibly a lot more. But...
Those types of schools generally only hire 'experienced' teachers (I.E. minimum one or two years experience). Not impossible, just beware at deals that are too good to be true. |
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Ahchoo
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:19 am Post subject: Re: 10,000 RMB per month |
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| Lorean wrote: |
| inchinanow wrote: |
| I have been offered 10,000 RMB per month to teach science at a Private School near Beijing. I have a B.S. Degree from a Western University. The apartment is provided for about 300 RMB per month and I believe meals are free. My question is this: Do you think that 10,000 RMB per month is adequate? |
First, are you teaching science? Beware, this is China. Schools will lie to sign you up. They might just want you to teach English. In which case....
Salaries for English teachers are a lot lower than non-English teachers. For science or math at a private school in Beijing you should be looking at 200 RMB per 40 minute class absolute minimum, possibly a lot more. But...
Those types of schools generally only hire 'experienced' teachers (I.E. minimum one or two years experience). Not impossible, just beware at deals that are too good to be true. |
My guess is he won't be teaching science.
How many Chinese students do you know who's English is at a level that would allow them to follow a science class held in English? |
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Lorean
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:22 am Post subject: Re: 10,000 RMB per month |
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| Ahchoo wrote: |
| Lorean wrote: |
| inchinanow wrote: |
| I have been offered 10,000 RMB per month to teach science at a Private School near Beijing. I have a B.S. Degree from a Western University. The apartment is provided for about 300 RMB per month and I believe meals are free. My question is this: Do you think that 10,000 RMB per month is adequate? |
First, are you teaching science? Beware, this is China. Schools will lie to sign you up. They might just want you to teach English. In which case....
Salaries for English teachers are a lot lower than non-English teachers. For science or math at a private school in Beijing you should be looking at 200 RMB per 40 minute class absolute minimum, possibly a lot more. But...
Those types of schools generally only hire 'experienced' teachers (I.E. minimum one or two years experience). Not impossible, just beware at deals that are too good to be true. |
My guess is he won't be teaching science.
How many Chinese students do you know who's English is at a level that would allow them to follow a science class held in English? |
I know for an absolute fact that there are schools where this is the case. It's China, it doesn't have to make sense! |
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Ms Bean
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| eddy-cool wrote: |
This is quite an obvious case of underpaying for a position for which a Science degree is required. 10'000 would be a fine salary for an English teacher; those that teach OTHER subjects (using English as the language of instruction) generally make considerably more.
You should be looking at a starting salary of 15'000. |
And specifically which schools are paying BA and BS level foreign teachers RMB10,000-15,000 to teach non-language courses in English? |
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