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tammy



Joined: 07 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:17 pm    Post subject: teaching in mexico Reply with quote

hi there..
i've been thinking about coming to mexico to teach and was wondering what to expect in terms of salary? also, i've heard that its very rare to find a school that pays for flights.. is this true?
any info would be a great help..
thanx.. tammy
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chula



Joined: 11 Nov 2003
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Location: Culiac�n, Sinaloa, M�xico

PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:30 pm    Post subject: a school that pays for flights....that�s funny Reply with quote

hi
i�m in guanajuato and the pay is around $4,000 mex pesos a month for teachers who teach english 20 hours a week. i have an MA in TESOL, work 40 hours a week and make around $8,000 mex pesos (which is more than enough to live on). the 20 hour a week teachers typically have a BA. they aren�t paid for prep time, just the time in class. the pay scale around here is more or less like that. usually between $30 and $55 mex pesos an hour. housing is usually between $500 and $2,000 a month. if you�re really thinking that a you�ll find a school that will pay for a flight, i�m sorry, but that�s never going to happen. some will pay for half of your visa expenses (my visa was about $4,000 total). of course, they reimburse you after you�ve paid for it and waited for 3 months because they can�t pay you till you have it. so, basically, mexico is a fun place to work and get great experience, but if you�re looking for money in any form, sorry, but it�s not the place.
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M@tt



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: here and there

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think if you're here to make money it's possible doing business-related courses in mexico or working at almost any branch of itesm. otherwise it might be difficult.
my point, though, is that with an MA it is quite possible.
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Posts: 2583
Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tammy,

The salary range across the country and in different types of teaching is very broad. It partially depends on your qualifications and experience and partially on the luck of the draw. What Matt says is true, it is quiet possible to make enough to live well and fly home once a year. However, there are also people who loose money on their Mexico experience--see the archives for dduck's experience. I know this all sounds wishy washy and people looking to come here want concrete answers to their questions, facts and figures. It is rather difficult to pin things down in Mexico--heck in all of Latin America.

Some language schools pay as little as 30 pesos and hour, and don't offer many hours from month to month. Some universities pay as much as 16,000 pesos a month. (but require higher degrees, experience, publications).

The bottom line, you should be able to make enough to live in Mexico. IF YOU HAVE LOAN PAYMENTS OR ARE WORRIED ABOUT PUTTING MONEY AWAY--think twice before coming here.
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Ben Round de Bloc



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It partially depends on your qualifications and experience and partially on the luck of the draw.

-- MELEE


Exactly! Although qualifications and experience are important, it's also a matter of being in the right place at the right time.

Frequently, those who do the hiring don't get around to it until the last minute or later. Therefore, the person who shows up at the right moment usually gets the job. Anyway, that's the general hiring style in the city where I live, not just for teaching jobs but for employment in general. Of course, knowing the right people (connections) helps a whole lot, too.
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andy s



Joined: 22 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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some will pay for half of your visa expenses (my visa was about $4,000 total). of course, they reimburse you after you�ve paid for it and waited for 3 months because they can�t pay you till you have it.



Well, the school I'm at promised to pay the whole of my visa, and actually did for two of my friends (one a CELTA-qualified native speakeer, and one an unqualified and unexperienced non-native speaker - although she is very good). For my part, they decided not to bother after I'd been here 6 weeks since I was here too short a time (5 months was the period agreed PRIOR to my coming here, and I WAS thinking possibly longer), but have kept up my payments to extend my tourist visa and then change me to a student FM3 when immigration got snotty (a student FM3 is wonderful for discounts - apparently up to 50% on long distance busses, although I've never quite managed to negotiate this). And they payed upfront and gave a very competitive rate of pay (at least by the hour), so anything is possible (I have no qualifications other than an english accent and a master's degree in chemistry)! That said, they have lied on almost every other front, and even tried to make me live in a leaky shed ("but, it doesn't rain at this time of year!", having rained 3 days previously).

You pays your money (or not), and makes your choice!

Andy

ps. If anyone want in formation on CETIP in Toluca, contact me - I can give you my own experiences and put you in touch with both satisfied teachers, and others, and all those foreign teachers there at the moment.
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thelmadatter



Joined: 31 Mar 2003
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Location: in el Distrito Federal x fin!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:08 pm    Post subject: does anyone ever read the subject line? Reply with quote

Hey Andy! Im in Toluca too, although I already have a job. Nice to see Im not the only extranjero here!
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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 9650
Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:11 pm    Post subject: Mexico Reply with quote

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The bottom line, you should be able to make enough to live in Mexico. IF YOU HAVE LOAN PAYMENTS OR ARE WORRIED ABOUT PUTTING MONEY AWAY--think twice before coming here.


This is a good point for all those just coming out of university and wanting some time abroad. Mexican teaching positions pay well enough to cover your costs here, and then some. But, you simply can't compare a developing country's economy to that of the US. Point is - if you are coming to teach abroad, anywhere for that matter, make sure you are doing it for the right reasons. You'll not find your road to riches here...unless those riches are cultural, linguistic, and things worth learning.
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Ben Round de Bloc



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding earnings vs. cost of living as an EFL teacher in many parts of Mexico, I agree that it is possible to live on what you earn, especially if your employer provides you with medical insurance, either private or seguro social. However, in the vast majority of situations, you can't maintain a very high standard of living on what you earn teaching EFL.

Think of it like this. Could you move to a city in the USA all on your own, work as a burger flipper in a fast food restaurant or a shelf stocker in a supermarket and live only on your earnings? Yes, you probably could . . . and your standard of living would probably be about the same as if you moved to a city in Mexico, worked as an EFL teacher, and lived only on your earnings. This analogy may be stretching it a bit, but not a whole lot, regarding the majority of EFL teaching jobs available in Mexico.
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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:13 pm    Post subject: Long term vs Short term Reply with quote

BRdB,

For you and I, I think it's a different story...we're here to stay, so we have to consider the long term costs...buying a house for example.

Most people that I'm familiar with that come into Mexico to teach generally do it with the idea of staying 6 months to 1 year, then out again. I think they may have an easier time on costs vc what they can earn.

Most people that I'm familair with in this example are just out of university, or almost done. Important for them is paying off debt, which of course in dollars, would be hard to do earning pesos. But there are options...in some cases, one can defer debt payments if it's known that one will be working in a developing country.

I've also noticed that most people don't have medical insurance...US people anyway. This is scary but reflects the reality very well doesn't it? Good thing that we're still indestructible when we're young! Twisted Evil
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