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Howie · Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 22

let's say I get offered a better non-teaching job in China, is the teaching bridge burned irrevocably, or will I be able to teach at some time in the future? Will there be a problem with the Z visa that I already have?

mister tom · Joined: 20 May 2009 Posts: 49 Location: ireland

good question, i would like to know the answer to this one

tom

Lorean · Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 476 Location: Beijing

If you have a Z-visa but no residence permit
OR
If you do not have a Z-visa
THEN
You can tell the school to f--- off with no fear of reprisal.

IF they have issued you a z-visa AND a residence permit then you will need their written permission.

Howie · Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 22

Thanks. I have the Z but no RP so I think I'm good to go either way.

mister tom · Joined: 20 May 2009 Posts: 49 Location: ireland

thanks lorian, great help

tom

Hansen · Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 737 Location: central China

This apparently is not important to people who ask questions of this sort; however, you did sign a contract. A contract is an agreement to perform services in exchange for an agreed upon consideration. If the school has held up its end of the bargain so far, by providing documents for a "Z" visa, you do have a moral and ethical obligation to fulfill your end of the bargain.

I would say NO, you can not violate an agreement because a better offer comes along.

Secondly, the better offer could become rubbish and you will have wasted an opportunity with your previous employer.

Complete your first contract. Plan to take up the second job after you fulfill your moral and ethical obligation to the employer who provided you with a "Z" visa

The Ever-changing Cleric · Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 1523

mister tom · Joined: 20 May 2009 Posts: 49 Location: ireland

good point hansen

no the worry is for newbies, i think, is that you end up in a job that appears to be good, then it turns into a nightmare and for some reason you can't make any claim against the contract

its a worst case scenario escape plan

of course ideally the job is bearable, or better - then the moral imperative kicks in

tom

The Ever-changing Cleric · Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 1523

mister tom · Joined: 20 May 2009 Posts: 49 Location: ireland

thats right cleric

so you turn up and the worst case scenario occurs, what would you do in that case?

tom

The Ever-changing Cleric · Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 1523

mister tom · Joined: 20 May 2009 Posts: 49 Location: ireland

Howie
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: I have a signed contract and go to China soon but...
let's say I get offered a better non-teaching job in China, is the teaching bridge burned irrevocably, or will I be able to teach at some time in the future? Will there be a problem with the Z visa that I already have?

the op is ambiguous cleric and you and i have interpreted it in two different ways

there is no mention of when the better job turns up

the way i am reading it is after the first job turns into a nightmare

i still think its better to honour the contract as you say, only in the worst case would i consider breaking the contract

hope i'm being clear here

cheers

tom

The Ever-changing Cleric · Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 1523

I agree, if the first job turns out to be a nightmare and the employee can document legitimate cases of contract violation and/or other misdeeds, then cut yourself loose. Seems all you need to do is get the RP canceled from the first job and get yourself set up for Job B.

evaforsure · Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1217

Before arrival, the acceptance of the contract to secure a z visa is provisional and will or will not be subscribed to by either party...that being said.. the z is tied to an employer so to change it would take the cooperation of both employers or the employer who wants to hire the applicant always from the z visa issuer would have to have some "strong admin magic"....not sure bout now.. but it was common a few years ago to lose an applicant in the Beijing airport where "shill" would lay in wait for the FT who just stepped off the plane and make them a better offer...these schools were somehow able to divert the z to their company.

Hansen · Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 737 Location: central China

We had an FT who backed out of a contract after having papers for a "Z" visa issued. The school was very upset about it. The FAO claimed that the PSB office was also angry. In retrospect, I'm not sure how they would have figured into the situation at that point, because the lady had no RP.

Anyway, the FAO said that they were considering putting her on a list which would forever ban her from entering China [or something like that].

The prospective employee was a "whack job" and I'm very glad she didn't show up but the school was not happy. She would have caused a lot of problems had she arrived.

If you make a deal with a school and the school doesn't exhibit any rank behavior, fulfill the contract. If they have obviously entered the contract with no intention or ability to fulfill it, then leave. A better offer is no excuse, at least not a legitimate one.