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Censorship: Over the top?
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Gonzo



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:20 am    Post subject: Censorship: Over the top? Reply with quote

Now I know Dave's uses an "auto-censor" to prevent abusive and objectionable language appearing on a public forum, and fair enough.
But I feel the controls are set just a tad too high. I used the word "p-e-n-i-s" in an earlier post. Not to describe a fellow poster BTW; I think I can do better than that. It was about men pissing in public. What does a man piss with? I ended up having to say "willy" or "weiner", or something pathetically childish. Most children can say this word without giggling or blushing.
So, what's the view? Ease back the auto-censor controls, Dave's management?
Hope this thread doesn't get censored
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denise



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funnily enough, another recent thread on censorship is mysteriously missing... Good luck with this one!

To the moderators--what was so objectionable about the previous thread on censorship?

d
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James_T_Kirk



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy shit Denise, you are fucking right! The other thread regarding censorship has disappeared! When did John Ashcroft become a moderator? This censorship stuff is bullshit!

Cheers,
Kirk

P.S.- What I find amusing is despite the censors, everyone knows exactly what I originally typed before it was beeped out...since this is the case, what exactly is the point of these censors? Is seeing *beep* in the context of bullsh*t somehow less offensive?
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richard ame



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:52 am    Post subject: In built censor ship Reply with quote

Hi

I think the whole thing about controlling what we want to say in a colourful way is stifiling our right to express ourselves as adults . Having said that we could of course invent a new language which is not on Daves censorship list for example I use the word umbrella to take the place of the dreaded F word it works quite well or try chuffing thats ok too perhaps we can put a sticky up to highlight the "forbidden " vocab and their substitutes .
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Sara Avalon



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:56 am    Post subject: Re: In built censor ship Reply with quote

richard ame wrote:
Hi

I think the whole thing about controlling what we want to say in a colourful way is stifiling our right to express ourselves as adults.


Do adults need to swear to express themselves? Hmm.. funny. I always thought it was because we had more vocabulary than just the vulgar that we were held to higher standards.
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Steiner



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

denise wrote:
Funnily enough, another recent thread on censorship is mysteriously missing... Good luck with this one!

To the moderators--what was so objectionable about the previous thread on censorship?

d


I love it when I get to say, "I told you so." My post predicting the disappearance of that thread was, what, the second post?

To those of you who haven't noticed--you may talk about whatever you like, but you may not discuss issues pertaining to how the ESL Cafe forums are run.

As another poster said, the only way to effect a change is if we all email
Dave directly.
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Steiner



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Sara Avalon, how is talking about Charles D*ckens, Emily D*ickinson, an airplane's c*ckpit, or a c*cker spaniel considered swearing? But you just try typing any of those words without the asterisks and see what happens.

I don't mind the censorship. It's the stupid stuff that's, well....um, stupid.

Let's have logical censorship. It's much better than arbitrary censorship. Yes, no censorship is best, but I'd be happy with a step in the right direction.
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Gonzo



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sara Avalon, the point I was making was that I WASN'T swearing, but got censored all the same. It's the mentality that says that the human body is "dirty', this puritan way of thinking, that irks me. And others, I think.
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Lanza-Armonia



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Let's have logical censorship. It's much better than arbitrary censorship. Yes, no censorship is best, but I'd be happy with a step in the right direction.


Call me a *beep*, but I think censorship should be non-exsistant. I am a firm believer of open speach. If someone wants to refer to something in a strong way and hasn't good the energy to condure up fancy a$$ words, can't we just say feck it?.

This board is a dictatorship with no chance of an election.

One can imagine www.lanzaarmoniaseslcafe.com ? Not going to happen in the near future huh?

LA
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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with censorship. So much so that I am going to censor myself. Instead of using that disgusting word f,u.c;k I am going to invent a new word. How about pluff?
Yes that's it. Lets all use pluff. Pluff off. I feel pluffed. Sara, do you wanna pluff? There I think we have found a way to make the world a nicer, cleaner, more polite place.
Oh hang on a minute, if we all use the word pluff and everybody understands it's meaning. It's gonna be censored. Very Happy
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gugelhupf



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I object to very strongly is having syllables of perfectly innocent words bleeped out. C.ocktail party anyone?
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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking it further, it seems to me that it isn't therfore the word that people object to it's the idea.
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Lanza-Armonia



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

C.ocktail party huh? It wounds so mid 1950's high class Britain. If you ask a modern, averaged intelligence 20 year old what a c.ocktail party is today, s/he will give you a slightly more enlightening answer, hence the censorship <?>

LA
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gugelhupf



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lanza-Armonia wrote:
C.ocktail party huh? It wounds so mid 1950's high class Britain. If you ask a modern, averaged intelligence 20 year old what a c.ocktail party is today, s/he will give you a slightly more enlightening answer, hence the censorship <?>

LA


Then try c.ockerel or c.ockney, unless those words too offend your cultural sensitivities.
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Lanza-Armonia



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then try c.ockerel or c.ockney, unless those words too offend your cultural sensitivities.


I was trying to joke, but it obviously didn't sound correct when you read it. I apologise Crying or Very sad
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