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disregardedknowledge



Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:28 pm    Post subject: Hail Reply with quote

I see a lot of negative posts about the University of Hail. I think a recruiter is trying to pocket a lot of my money. Only 11,450 is my monthly pay. Is that very low, especially if I have a graduate degree in education and a Celta?

Should I decline the offer? Are salaries negotiable?
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Stephen Jones



Joined: 21 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you a direct hire or not?
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hurriyah



Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SAME OFFER BUT NO AIRFARE?
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lucreziaborgia



Joined: 19 May 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:02 pm    Post subject: Ha'l Reply with quote

Me too. Same offer: 11,450, accommodation etc.
However: no airfare, no visa costs covered, no paid holidays, no health cover...
If you are being recruited by the same one as me then I'd say it's not on.
The recruiter has some bad press on websites.
More info appreciated.
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sheikher



Joined: 13 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M-Trading and its various guises is on a swindle campaign.

If you would take the time and make the effort to simply read through the Ministry of Labor laws in an earlier post, it is plainly evident there that the sponsor of your visa is legally obligated to cover those costs.

Costs like airfares, health insurance, procurement of work permit, holiday pay, etc.

Steer well clear of offers that do not offer these benefits!

Ask the recruiter questions about the visa. Entry with a 3-month business visa spells scam and the consequences are certainly not in your favor.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got this offer. Should I pass on it?


This is with reference to your application for an ESL teaching job in Saudi Arabia.

We are pleased to inform you that you have been selected to fill the position as English Lecturer for one of our projects in Saudi Arabia, the University of Hail.

Please reconfirm your availability as our target date for deployment is September 26, 2009. We can immediately start processing your visa upon your confirmation of availability and acceptance.

The monthly salary package for this job is SR11,450 (US$3050.00) tax free, plus free furnished accommodation with basic utilities such as: air conditioned single room, w/ bed and beddings, washing machine, refrigerator, cooking stove, cooking utensils, etc. plus free local transportation from housing to university & vice-versa.

Please submit a scanned copy of your passport and confirm your current location where we can send you the visa documents.

Your employment agreement will be with M-Trading Resources of Al-Khobar, Saudi Arabia

Should you have any questions to be clarified, please don't hesitate to email me.
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veiledsentiments



Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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Location: USA

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
... plus free furnished accommodation with basic utilities such as: air conditioned single room, w/ bed and beddings, washing machine, refrigerator, cooking stove, cooking utensils, etc. plus free local transportation from housing to university & vice-versa.

So... you get to share the bathroom? and kitchen? With how many? What about your husband? Can he come? It seems maybe not...

I assume that you have read all the very negative posts about M-Trading. So... how desperate are you for the money? Could you tolerate the conditions described in the posts here for a year? Would you want to live separate from you husband for a year if they don't allow you to bring him?

Only you can answer that...

VS
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naturegirl321



Joined: 04 May 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
naturegirl321 wrote:
... plus free furnished accommodation with basic utilities such as: air conditioned single room, w/ bed and beddings, washing machine, refrigerator, cooking stove, cooking utensils, etc. plus free local transportation from housing to university & vice-versa.

So... you get to share the bathroom? and kitchen? With how many? What about your husband? Can he come? It seems maybe not...

I assume that you have read all the very negative posts about M-Trading. So... how desperate are you for the money? Could you tolerate the conditions described in the posts here for a year? Would you want to live separate from you husband for a year if they don't allow you to bring him?

Only you can answer that...

VS


VS, I think you're right. I turned them down, seemed fishy. Plus they said that Hail wasn't authorised to give work visas! Which sounds nuts to me. And no flights were included. I'm desperate, but not that desperate Smile
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omm Juman



Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="naturegirl321"]. Plus they said that Hail wasn't authorised to give work visas. [/quote]

NOT TRUE, my husband has got a work visa to teach in the U of Hail.
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veiledsentiments



Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, was he hired by M-Trading or their many other aliases? Or a direct hire? A number of posters have complained here of being kept on business visas which is unacceptable.

VS
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omm Juman



Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Direct hire
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veiledsentiments



Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mabruk!! Laughing That explains the difference.

These recruiters are something to be avoided if one can.

VS
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batman1



Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: More on M Trading Reply with quote

Here is the deal...if there are no questions asked, no phone interview, and only an application to fill out, you can bet your bottom rial that the company is shady from the git go. But I sent in everything because I want to see the contract.
The following is the deal that they sent me. It looks like we all make $3050.00 a month!

This is with reference to your application for an ESL teaching job in Saudi Arabia.

We are pleased to inform you that you have been selected to fill the position as English Lecturer for one of our projects in Saudi Arabia, the Girls college of theUniversity of Hail.

Please reconfirm your availability as our target date for deployment is September 26, 2009. We can immediately start processing your visa upon your confirmation of availability and acceptance.

The monthly salary package for this job is SR11,450 (US$3050.00) tax free, plus free furnished accommodation with basic utilities such as: air conditioned single room, w/ bed and beddings, washing machine, refrigerator, cooking stove, cooking utensils, etc. plus free local transportation from housing to university & vice-versa.

Please submit a scanned copy of your passport and confirm your current location where we can send you the visa documents.

Your employment agreement will be with M-Trading Resources of Al-Khobar, Saudi Arabia

Should you have any questions to be clarified, please don't hesitate to email me....
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scot47



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice for this and any other job in KSA is, go direct. Do not go through a recruiter or sub-contractor.
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jasonworth



Joined: 31 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:39 am    Post subject: University of Hail Reply with quote

A few weeks back I received that same acceptance letter from the recruiter for the University of Hail... the funny thing is... that I did not even finish the process... did not send them any docs. except my resume and cover letter... DID NOT SEND THEM ANYTHING ELSE.... but then I recevied that "acceptance letter" offering SR 11, 450...

So... is this a scam or not... can't tell from reading the posts?
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