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floja
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 Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:50 am Post subject: Credentials |
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One of the problems at the university where I used to teach was that some of the instructors and administrators had, at best, questionable credentials. In at least once case, patently fake degrees, in another, a questionable doctorate from an "online" university.
My question is this- how can it be worthwhile, in the long run, for a university to be staffed by fake or mediocre doctorates when it comes time to apply for serious accreditation?
In other countries where I have taught, when it has been found that a person's credentials were bogus, they were immediately dismissed and blackballed from the country. In at least one case where I taught in Saudi Arabia, an instructor was kept on to complete his contract, even after he had been found out.
How is this tolerated in the Kingdom? What is the process for approval for credentials? Is any old online degree acceptable for a PhD? |
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johnslat
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Dear floja,
"How is this tolerated in the Kingdom?"
My best guess would be the individual concerned had BIG wasta. If you have enough wasta, you can get away with just about anything in the Kingdom.
Regards,
John |
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Middle East Beast
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Case in point--while I was at STA/SDT, SDT discovered that one of their teachers (a westerner) did not have an appropriate college degree despite any claims to the contrary. Not only was he retained; he was promoted.
Remember, SDT is a subsidiary of BAE.
Go figure. |
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Linguist
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| while I was at STA/SDT, SDT discovered that one of their teachers (a westerner) did not have an appropriate college degree despite any claims to the contrary. Not only was he retained; he was promoted |
This happens quite often when 'holy' Westerners run the show and it doesn't surprise me at all.
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Middle East Beast
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Linguist wrote: |
| This happens quite often when 'holy' Westerners run the show and it doesn't surprise me at all. |
SDT is not a "holy" run western company despite its ties to BAE. The upper management are Saudis. |
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Mia Xanthi
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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In the case that floja refers to, I think that both people actually had valid Master's degrees, and thus it could be justifed to keep them on since only an MA is required for the job.
But I am not defending this practice. It is HORRENDOUS to allow someone to use "Dr." in front of his or her name if that person doesn't have a legitimate doctorate. It is just as bad also to allow people to give themselves whatever title they like on their business cards. The same institution allowed one woman with no doctorate to put "Professor" as her title on her cards. I can't really think of a worse academic offense, and I cannot condemn it enough. |
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desultude
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Mia Xanthi wrote: |
In the case that floja refers to, I think that both people actually had valid Master's degrees, and thus it could be justifed to keep them on since only an MA is required for the job.
But I am not defending this practice. It is HORRENDOUS to allow someone to use "Dr." in front of his or her name if that person doesn't have a legitimate doctorate. It is just as bad also to allow people to give themselves whatever title they like on their business cards. The same institution allowed one woman with no doctorate to put "Professor" as her title on her cards. I can't really think of a worse academic offense, and I cannot condemn it enough. |
If someone has falsified information on his/her CV, it is terminable offense, regardless of the requirements of the job. Claiming to have a PhD from given institution and not having one is serious fraud. It sends a clear message to everyone about the ethics of the institution to retain a person in such circumstances. If a date or something is wrong on a CV it is one thing, blatant fraud is another. |
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Linguist
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| SDT is not a "holy" run western company despite its ties to BAE. The upper management are Saudis. |
SDT is a subsidiary of BAE. Go figure !
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Markemark
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Matter of fact, most of the SDT / BAE staff (language trainers and others) are unqualified and yet they are better paid than degree holders. This is what is called a M A F I A ! |
Linguist
Very nice, Linguist. Can we have a hand of applause for someone willing to speak out against the BAE mafia who are:
a) Unqualified
b) Snot nose British dregs
c) Racist
d) Overpaid with money they absolutely shouldn't be getting |
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Middle East Beast
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Very nice, Linguist. Can we have a hand of applause for someone willing to speak out against the BAE mafia who are:
b) Snot nose British dregs
c) Racist |
That's racist talk, and a very bad reflection on you, Markemark. |
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