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Prof.Gringo



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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:25 pm    Post subject: A sad joke? Reply with quote

I saw this ad for an English teacher:

Profesora(o) de ingles cuente con Teachers y tenga buen dominio del idioma (preferentemente FCE)
Experiencia en preescolar, primaria y/o secundaria.

"Empresa: MOD EDIT
Localidad: Playa Vicente (Distrito Federal)
Sector: Educaci�n
Profesiones relacionadas: Profesor de idiomas,Language Teacher
Tipo de contrato: Temporal, Jornada Completa
Experiencia m�nima: 1 a�os
Fecha de publicaci�n: 12-08-2009
Salario: 4000 MXN Mexico Pesos / Mes"


It's a few weeks old. The pay is $4,000 pesos per month.

This is not uncommon at many private colegios and language schools in Mexico. Full time teachers making less than even $6,000 pesos per month. No housing of course. This is aimed at local (Mexican) teachers.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More fool the companies, if they think that they will grow and get a good reputation employing the kind of teacher prepared to work for that. To use a clich� - if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly many schools pay these kinds of wages. I won't waste my time going for an interview unless they tell me how much they pay upfront. If they hesitate or refuse it's usually because it's a low wage and they know it.

Take a close look at the ad. They want a teacher with at least one year of experience and a TEFL cert. A TEFL cert is not cheap.

Let's put this into perspective:
Professionals average $10,000 pesos per month.
Language schools usually pay no lower than $7,000 per month.
Security guards make between $4,000 to $6,000 per month. 9th grade education.
Costco workers make $5,000 per month.
Wal-Mart workers make $3,500 per month.
Unskilled laborers and factory workers get about $3,000 pesos per month.

All of the above are in Mexico City.

I should make a note: Schools that pay these low wages tend to be small, shoe-string outfits. Not just language schools, but also colegios teaching kids. The stigma of public education is so strong that even in poor, working class barrios parents try to send their kids to private schools. Many of these schools are small, cramped affairs. They hire mostly Mexican teachers that graduated from a free teachers college (escuela normal) and can't find work. The English teachers often barely speak English.
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Professor



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:
They hire mostly Mexican teachers that graduated from a free teachers college (escuela normal) and can't find work. The English teachers often barely speak English.


This is the main complaint my MEXICAN students tell me. Many of them have gone through the entire "system" of HH or WSI, Berlitz and others and yet they still can't SPEAK.
I could never teach Spanish pronunciation as well as a Mexican, and a Mexican could never teach English pronunciation as well as I can. I'm not talking about teaching methods, I'm talking about KNOWING a language by growing up in the country.
These are things we need to remind our students who are wanting natural conversation skills.
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Professor



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:


Security guards make between $4,000 to $6,000 per month. 9th grade education.


I think the cops make the same or a little more?? No wonder they work for the narcos. Sad how the companies and govts in ALL countries screw the working people.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professor wrote:
Prof.Gringo wrote:


Security guards make between $4,000 to $6,000 per month. 9th grade education.


I think the cops make the same or a little more?? No wonder they work for the narcos. Sad how the companies and govts in ALL countries screw the working people.


Yes, you are right!

Cops make an average of just under $5,000 pesos per month in Mexico. Some agencies pay better (Federal, Judiciales, DF Police) but the average cop only makes around $4,500-$4,800 pesos per month... unless they ask for "donations" while working Wink
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professor wrote:
Prof.Gringo wrote:
They hire mostly Mexican teachers that graduated from a free teachers college (escuela normal) and can't find work. The English teachers often barely speak English.


This is the main complaint my MEXICAN students tell me. Many of them have gone through the entire "system" of HH or WSI, Berlitz and others and yet they still can't SPEAK.
I could never teach Spanish pronunciation as well as a Mexican, and a Mexican could never teach English pronunciation as well as I can. I'm not talking about teaching methods, I'm talking about KNOWING a language by growing up in the country.
These are things we need to remind our students who are wanting natural conversation skills.


This is also true. When everything is considered, Mexican teachers just can't match native teachers. It almost never happens. They might know all the ins and outs of grammar rules, methodology, and have a stack of certs, but at the end of the day, if you can't speak the language, how can you teach it?
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yankeechemist



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was offered a job and I was going to take it in 06 at a catholic high school, the pay was 18000 US yr. I wish I would have!
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CharlieBaloney



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Catholic prep school where I work started me at 12,000 pesos a month for a 20 hour week. Yankeechemist, they sometimes have openings (esp. in July/August).
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