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bluefrog
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 Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:00 pm Post subject: American jailed in Japan for trying to reclaim his children |
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http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/category.asp?C=175746
Has this case gotten much coverage in Japan? It's been a top story on the news here.
I found this link on Yahoo Japan (http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20090930-00000030-jij-int) but I was wondering if it's made the TV news. [/url] |
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Glenski
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hoser
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| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:55 am Post subject: |
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And that's a lot! 
Japan's gonna end up with egg on its face. Too bad someone had to go all JohnQ for this problem to get some attention. |
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seklarwia
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Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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The way Japan chooses to ignore US rulings when it comes to children is quite atrocious. That woman chose to break the law in the US by doing what she did. She is a criminal. If she had skipped a warrant for arrest as a murder suspect in the US, I bet they wouldn't be allowing here to run around free.
But at the same time, the way the US authorities have handled things in the run up to the abduction and how the embassy wouldn't allow the dad in deserve just as much criticism.
That judge who allowed the mother to take the kids to Japan on holiday was a fool. I'm surprised she didn't simply leg it then. One of the articles talks about 100 similar cases of children being abducted to Japan. It's not something new, so the authorities were already fully aware of what US rulings were worth once she landed in Japan. And its even worse, because the mother had been threatening to abduct the kids, but the authorities ignored this.
And why did the embassy not let the guy in? I thought in the US, people were innocent until proven guilty. Surely, regardless of the circumstances or supposed crime, they should have let him in and listened to his story first, then decided whether a crime may have been commited and if so, whether he should face trial under US law or handed over to the Japanese authorities. |
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mc
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Location: Aichi, Japan
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This guy sounds like an idiot. Trying to take the kids as they walked to school with their mother?? WTF did he think was gonna happen? Why didn't he go to the Embassy first? Or a lawyer? There were lots of different legal ways to approach this. Attempted kidnapping was not one of them. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Also, what did he really expect his ex-wife to do? Divorced in '08 and he's already married again? He expected the Japanese ex to just hang around middle-effing-Tennessee as a single mom so he could see his kids on the weekend? Get real.
The ex broke the law first and should not go unpunished. But the dad is not some kind of martyr here. He's just another self-righteous American a**hole who thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants. Snatch the kids and run to the nearest Embassy, expecting to be welcomed with open arms? Sounds like he has consumed a steady diet of Hollywood nonsense over the years.  |
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womblingfree
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| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Trying to take the kids as they walked to school with their mother?? WTF did he think was gonna happen? |
To be fair to Japan, if you tried to snatch kids that weren't in your care like that from an ex just about anywhere, you'd end up in jail. |
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starteacher
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Feel sorry for the children.
In the end, for whatever the reasons the adults have, I think the children will prefer to be with the mother. Doesn't sound she is an abusive mother. I think most children, even when they get older, have a very different relatiobship with mum, than with dad. Of course there are great dads, but in "society", it is harder for children to have a step-mum than it is to have a step-dad. Maybe it's simply because we all came out from a womb, and that womb nutured you during your most precious time in life.
But I don't care too much about the dad or the mom, but concerned for the children to have to go through this and have it stamped for the rest of their life. In this case, BOTH parents have to be blamed and share responsibility. |
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seklarwia
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| starteacher wrote: |
| Doesn't sound she is an abusive mother. |
There must have been a reason that the father was awarded full custody. Why, not joint custody? She may not have been abusive but pehaps she was unfit in some other way.
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In the end, for whatever the reasons the adults have, I think the children will prefer to be with the mother. Doesn't sound she is an abusive mother. I think most children, even when they get older, have a very different relatiobship with mum, than with dad. Of course there are great dads, but in "society", it is harder for children to have a step-mum than it is to have a step-dad. Maybe it's simply because we all came out from a womb, and that womb nutured you during your most precious time in life.
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And don't be so quick to judge who the kids would prefer to be with. I think it is more to do with who raised you than wombs. I was raised mostly by au-pairs when growing up but spent a lot more time with my father. I love both my parents, but when they split, I chose to stay with my father without hesistation. He had girlfriends whilst I lived with him. I didn't like the first; my dad sent her packing. I got on with the next; my dad has been with her for more than 10 years now. I even helped look after her when she was pregnant with my 2nd youngest sister. My first younger sister, was actually raised predominantly by my mother, so in the split, she chose to live with her. My sister hates all men who step into my mother's house. My mum has never has never been able to go out with a man for more than 6 months because of her.
With more parents tending to share parental responsibilities and a growing number of househusbands, it is no longer easy to see who kids would prefer to be with or better off with.
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| But I don't care too much about the dad or the mom, but concerned for the children to have to go through this and have it stamped for the rest of their life. In this case, BOTH parents have to be blamed and share responsibility. |
Whilst I'm not sure that I agree fully with your sentiments on the parents, you are definately right about the kids. |
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gaijinalways
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mc wrote:
Trying to take the kids as they walked to school with their mother?? WTF did he think was gonna happen? |
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| wombling postedTo be fair to Japan, if you tried to snatch kids that weren't in your care like that from an ex just about anywhere, you'd end up in jail. |
And to be fair to most other developed countries, the Japanese mother should have been extradited back to the US and jailed. And probably would have been if she wasn't a Japanese citizen.
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| The ex broke the law first and should not go unpunished. But the dad is not some kind of martyr here. He's just another self-righteous American a**hole who thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants. Snatch the kids and run to the nearest Embassy, expecting to be welcomed with open arms? Sounds like he has consumed a steady diet of Hollywood nonsense over the years. |
Have you ever been parent? Doesn't sound like it. We don't really know what he was thinking. He was obviously a bit desperate. You're making way too many assumptions.
As to what he expectd the ex- to do, she lost the custody battle. That's not his fault now, is it? |
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mc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Location: Aichi, Japan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:32 am Post subject: |
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mc wrote:
Trying to take the kids as they walked to school with their mother?? WTF did he think was gonna happen? |
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| wombling postedTo be fair to Japan, if you tried to snatch kids that weren't in your care like that from an ex just about anywhere, you'd end up in jail. |
And to be fair to most other developed countries, the Japanese mother should have been extradited back to the US and jailed. And probably would have been if she wasn't a Japanese citizen.
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| The ex broke the law first and should not go unpunished. But the dad is not some kind of martyr here. He's just another self-righteous American a**hole who thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants. Snatch the kids and run to the nearest Embassy, expecting to be welcomed with open arms? Sounds like he has consumed a steady diet of Hollywood nonsense over the years. |
Have you ever been parent? Doesn't sound like it. We don't really know what he was thinking. He was obviously a bit desperate. You're making way too many assumptions.
As to what he expectd the ex- to do, she lost the custody battle. That's not his fault now, is it? |
Um, yes I am a parent. Thanks for asking. |
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mc
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You don't see David Goldman making any stupid kidnapping attempts, do you? His case is even more unbelievable in so far as his child's biological mother is DEAD, yet he still can't get his son back. Where's the international outcry against Brazil for not handing back the kid? Oh, yeah, they were just awarded the 2016 Olympics.
http://bringseanhome.org/
Bottom line: I think Christopher Savoie did a stupid thing. Desperate or not, he should have used legal channels to fight this battle. And yeah, legal channels haven't gotten Goldman very far, but again, at least he's not in jail. |
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