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mushroomyakuza



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject: Understanding my Certificate Reply with quote

Hi All

this my first post! This is a very noob-ish question so please bear with me. I haven't long completed my TEFL course and have been awarded my certificate, however, for sometime I have been confused by the difference of TESOL and CELTA.

The tutors on my course always told me they were of equal worth and meant the same thing. Is this true? I've attained Trinity College, London, TESOL Certificate, not the CELTA. But looking around recently, it seems like CELTA is the more reputable one or regarded as a higher qualification. Is this true?

Someone please help me! Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Understanding my Certificate Reply with quote

mushroomyakuza wrote:
Hi All

this my first post! This is a very noob-ish question so please bear with me. I haven't long completed my TEFL course and have been awarded my certificate, however, for sometime I have been confused by the difference of TESOL and CELTA.

The tutors on my course always told me they were of equal worth and meant the same thing. Is this true? I've attained Trinity College, London, TESOL Certificate, not the CELTA. But looking around recently, it seems like CELTA is the more reputable one or regarded as a higher qualification. Is this true?

Someone please help me! Confused
TESOL is an acronym that essentially stands for Teacher of English to Speakers of Other Languages while CELTA is the course provider that taught you how to be such a teacher. TESOL, TESL and TEFL are pretty much the same thing, though some still make a distinction between TESOL/TESL and TEFL, the distinction being that TEFL is taught in a non-Anglophone country while TESOL/TESL is taught to non-Anglophones in an Anglophone country.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chancellor, thanks for the reply, it helps. However I do still have one question; is my certificate of a "higher" level or a "lower" one? I was told that Trinity was one of the higher, possibly highest level certificates for TEFL teachers.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CELTA providers, and perhaps some CELTA holders, may tell you that a CELTA is the best. Really, though, yours is fine. As long as it has the standard 100+ hours plus several hours of observed practice teaching with real English learners, it's good--and Trinity is generally well-regarded anyway. Really, though, there are "good" certificates that meet the requirements and bad certificates (no practice teaching, not enough hours, trainers not properly qualified or experienced, etc.). If you've got one of the good ones, the name shouldn't matter. If schools insist on only a CELTA, well,... to me, they are either snobs or too lazy or uninformed to know a good certificate from a bad one.

I disagree that TESOL and TESL are the same. TESOL is an umbrella term that covers both ESL and EFL. "Speakers of Other Languages" can be in Anglophone or non-Anglophone countries.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Denise. I can't remember the number of hours that my course involved, but it included a full weekend at the start, then college once a week for 3 hours on a Thursday as well as 6 teaching practices, 5 of which were observed. Since then I've taught over a hundred hours across two different jobs and had roughly 3-4 observations included within those hours of teaching.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most employers (and for the record, British universities and governmental qualification standards organisations) recognise the Trinity TESOL cert as being exactly the same as the CELTA.

Be careful with the acronyms, though. CELTA is a brand-name. "TESOL" by itself is just an acronym, not refering to a specific qualification.

As long as you remember to call it a Trinity TESOL cert, smart employers won't have an issue. Anyone who claims CELTA is better is probably selling a course.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that Trinity is quite reputable.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mushroomyakuza wrote:
Chancellor, thanks for the reply, it helps. However I do still have one question; is my certificate of a "higher" level or a "lower" one? I was told that Trinity was one of the higher, possibly highest level certificates for TEFL teachers.
Neither. What you have is an entry-level TEFL certificate. That's all these courses are - whether CELTA, Trinity, SIT, or one of the generics - entry-level. Now, if you want to eventually go beyond an entry-level certification, there are diplomas in TEFL (like the DELTA), graduate certificates (which are just a little lower than a master's degree, sometimes the difference being one or two courses) and master's degrees in TESL or applied linguistics.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

denise wrote:
CELTA providers, and perhaps some CELTA holders, may tell you that a CELTA is the best. Really, though, yours is fine. As long as it has the standard 100+ hours plus several hours of observed practice teaching with real English learners, it's good--and Trinity is generally well-regarded anyway. Really, though, there are "good" certificates that meet the requirements and bad certificates (no practice teaching, not enough hours, trainers not properly qualified or experienced, etc.). If you've got one of the good ones, the name shouldn't matter. If schools insist on only a CELTA, well,... to me, they are either snobs or too lazy or uninformed to know a good certificate from a bad one.

I disagree that TESOL and TESL are the same. TESOL is an umbrella term that covers both ESL and EFL. "Speakers of Other Languages" can be in Anglophone or non-Anglophone countries.

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Actually, it's only been in more recent usage that the distinction between ESL and EFL has been replaced with the use of TESL or TESOL.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mushroomyakuza wrote:
Thanks Denise. I can't remember the number of hours that my course involved, but it included a full weekend at the start, then college once a week for 3 hours on a Thursday as well as 6 teaching practices, 5 of which were observed. Since then I've taught over a hundred hours across two different jobs and had roughly 3-4 observations included within those hours of teaching.
College once a week for how many weeks?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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College once a week for how many weeks


Enough to total somewhere around 120 hours total.

It's a Trinity Cert.



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