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El Macho



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:43 pm    Post subject: University or High School jobs for an MA holder Reply with quote

I am studying for an MLitt in ELT at a well-regarded UK university, and am considering teaching in Mexico to teach after I'm through.
I have several years experience teaching ESOL and am a fluent Spanish speaker. My undergraduate degree was in Spanish and TESL, and I put myself through university working as a Spanish-English medical interpreter.

My interest is in teaching university or high school students, preferably in Puebla or Oaxaca. However, if somehow there is great money do be made doing corporate gigs, I'd consider that.

My questions for you:

1. What sort of salary could I hope for?
2. When (and where) does the job search begin? When do schools start to hire?
3. What other questions should I be asking?

My primary interest is making enough money to be able to save for the future. However, I love Mexico enough that I'm willing to take a slight pay cut compared to teaching other countries to be able to live there.

�Muchas gracias, y saludos!
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Prof.Gringo



Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: University or High School jobs for an MA holder Reply with quote

El Macho wrote:
I am studying for an MLitt in ELT at a well-regarded UK university, and am considering teaching in Mexico to teach after I'm through.
I have several years experience teaching ESOL and am a fluent Spanish speaker. My undergraduate degree was in Spanish and TESL, and I put myself through university working as a Spanish-English medical interpreter.

My interest is in teaching university or high school students, preferably in Puebla or Oaxaca. However, if somehow there is great money do be made doing corporate gigs, I'd consider that.

My questions for you:

1. What sort of salary could I hope for?
2. When (and where) does the job search begin? When do schools start to hire?
3. What other questions should I be asking?

My primary interest is making enough money to be able to save for the future. However, I love Mexico enough that I'm willing to take a slight pay cut compared to teaching other countries to be able to live there.

�Muchas gracias, y saludos!


How much crap can you put up with?

Students with no respect that don't do the work and expect to pass with flying colors.

Students that offer bribes to pass the class with a higher grade.

And having an admin that will fire you if you don't make sure all your students pass with at least a 7 on a scale of 1-10 even if they did nothing to pass.

I've taught in colegios since 2006.

That's how it is teaching high school in Mexico.

Some uni's are OK, others are terrible.

If you want more info PM me.
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Writer



Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt you'll be able to save money working here. While I was working at a university, I was able to pay our way and afford a trip back home (or to travel a little bit), but that was it. I'm currently teaching at a language school and that pays for expenses. If you want to save money, I'd look into teaching in the Middle East, or maybe Korea.
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geaaronson



Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject: furthermore Reply with quote

Unfortunately, what Prof. Gringo says has a ring of truth to it. There are even more problems than what he outlines. I worked at one colegio in which the department chair required students to buy six textbooks for each course, regardless whether their teachers used all of them. She and the director of the school both got a cut from the sale of each book. She also instructed teachers to fail students she did not like personally.
At another school, classes were 3 hours long, 5 days a week, for three weeks. I remember well the director of the school chasing a pony-tailed male student of mine down the stairwell, screaming that she was going to make him cut his hair off.
And in some parts of the country, university classes are scheduled in block. Students begin their college career with a large group of peers with whom they take the same classes. Should they fail a subject, they have two opportunities to pass a makeup final exam, failing both, they get kicked out of school and have to wait a year before they can return to school. Needless to say, there is pressure for teachers to pass students on.
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TheLongWayHome



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Posts: 1016
Location: San Luis Piojosi

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: University or High School jobs for an MA holder Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:


How much crap can you put up with?

Students with no respect that don't do the work and expect to pass with flying colors.

Students that offer bribes to pass the class with a higher grade.

And having an admin that will fire you if you don't make sure all your students pass with at least a 7 on a scale of 1-10 even if they did nothing to pass.

This is the long and short of it. You'll find it much more prevalent in private universities and prepas though. Today I was offered $200 pesos to change a student's grade. Worse thing is, some teachers accept those bribes y as� se mueve mexico.

I also teach in a nice government uni where I've been for three years or so. I have to say the above mentioned is much less prevalent and on the whole it's a nice place to teach. I've never been offered bribes there.

The hourly rate may be more attractive in company classes but know that you're working for the absolute minimum the language school can pay you, with no benefits, health cover etc. If there's another flu scare, I can't see language schools paying teachers that aren't working. And they don't have to, I mean most give you a supplier contract (though will demand things from you as if you were on a full-time contract with benefits) which means that if something goes wrong or classes get cancelled, you're the one that loses out.
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wildchild



Joined: 14 Nov 2005
Posts: 519
Location: Puebla 2009 - 2010

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what kind of salary?

around 10,000 pesos minimum. when converted into pounds or dollars, it isn't much. but by local standards, it's not bad, considering some flats go for between 1,000 - 2,000. so it's ok. but you won't be able to buy a mercedez like others in town...


When and where does the job search begin?

Early June and early January. I'd fire off emails, and let them know that you're coming to Mexico, and request an interview around your arrival time. Follow up with a phone call a few days later. Hopefully then you'll have some leads.

You can google schools, or perhaps folks here will give you a list.


What other questions should you be asking?

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Tretyakovskii



Joined: 14 Aug 2009
Posts: 462
Location: Cancun, Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:44 am    Post subject: Salary for uni teachers Reply with quote

El Macho, sounds like you'll have good credentials, which should mean you can get a job at university, should you decide to work in Mexico.

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fishmb



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
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Location: Istanbul

PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the OP (or me) wants to apply for university jobs that start in the fall (that's when the universities in Mexico start, right?) when should we start applying? June or (gulp) January??
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TheLongWayHome



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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Location: San Luis Piojosi

PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fishmb wrote:
If the OP (or me) wants to apply for university jobs that start in the fall (that's when the universities in Mexico start, right?) when should we start applying? June or (gulp) January??

Most hiring is done before the fall semester (apply June/July) but it's possible to get hired now for the semester starting in January (25th in most places, prepas don't start till mid February).
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