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norwalkesl
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 Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:24 am Post subject: Looking For China Contract Examples |
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The entire actual contract. 3 or 4 to compare, and pull the best points from.
I have my visa, now will be negotiating the contract.
It is thin on details and the recruiter is consistently trying to get me to purchase my ticket first. This will not happen. They are a bit pushy and are constantly assuming the sale.
I work with a recruiter because I have been searching for work for months, and I am tired of doing nothing. I understand the risks and cost to me. I also understand the necessity in paying my dues. My experience in negotiating contracts in English is deep.
Just looking for examples and bullet points to negotiate.
I understand that things can and do change and that contracts for ESL teachers often are not honored. I can live with that. I still will do my due diligence on this matter, leaving wiggle room for the other parties to save face. I cannot help but want to do my best on this.
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vikuk
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:56 am Post subject: |
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Bullet point no 1
negotiating with the recruiter is next to useless - it has to be done with the school 
The worst of recruiters can draw up a contract to lure you in - but when here the school may claim it's not their contract, and try to renegotiate.
If the recruiter is becoming pushy - and trying to force you into buying tickets - warning lights should be blinking.
What visa have you got - have you obtained it through an invitation from from a school? |
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norwalkesl
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| What visa have you got - have you obtained it through an invitation from from a school? |
My visa is an 'F' Visa.
I do not speak nor read one word of Mandarin.
Here is the invitation letter with my info removed:
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vikuk
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:45 am Post subject: |
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the letter is an invitation from a teaching company asking for a teacher to come to act as a teaching consultant for the company.
That looks about as kosher as you can get for an F visa to teach - although there is no mention of classroom activity or the consultant being paid by the company.
I'd say that's about the safest teaching F I've ever seen - but now you've got to find out what they want to do with you - and you've got remember for an F to be taken as legal you're only allowed to work on a 6 month contract !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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norwalkesl
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| vikuk wrote: |
the letter is an invitation from a teaching company asking for a teacher to come to act as a teaching consultant for the company.
That looks about as kosher as you can get for an F visa to teach - although there is no mention of classroom activity or the consultant being paid by the company.
I'd say that's about the safest teaching F I've ever seen - but now you've got to find out what they want to do with you - and you've got remember for an F to be taken as legal you're only allowed to work on a 6 month contract! |
Thanks for your help, by the way! I owe you a beer.
So I re-sign a new contract at the end of 6 months, or is this going to require visa runs, etc?
I intend to have this be my new career, and I wish to stay in China for the next 3 or 4 years at least. I do not want to be returning to the US every 180 days! |
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vikuk
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:26 am Post subject: |
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I should think to be strictly legal, if you have a 1 year F visa, it would be a new visa - but 6 months in China will give you plenty of time to figure out which way to go - whether you risk working on slightly dodgy documents in a job where many other FT's work with dubious paperwork - or you wanted to go exactly by the letter of the law.
What that visa does do for the negotiation is to act as a measure to the integrity of your recruiters - if it is a one year visa - and you explain to them that legally speaking FT's are only allowed to sign contracts for under 6 months on the F - then when you hear their reaction, listen to any excuse stories, or see if they except etc etc. - you'll get a better idea of wanting to trust them or not
If your recruiter queries your concerns - refer them to this page that comes from the Chinese authorities -
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Updated: 23/04/2009
Business Visa (F Visa) is issued to an alien who is invited to China for a visit, an investigation, a lecture, to do business, scientific-technological and culture exchanges, short-term advanced studies or internship for a period of no more than six months |
http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/hzqz/zgqz/t84247.htm
Teaching can come under the culture exchange definition.
The other thing with the F is that the longer muliple-entry F's - for American citizens - sometimes come with duration of stay rules - you have to leave China every 30 days - just make sure your visa isn't one of these. If it is then you best start work with a job near HK - you can then get a departure and entry stamp every 30 days. |
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