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		| delal 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: Is drilling teaching? |   |  
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				| Is anyone else out there a bit down about not being allowed to teach "properly" and just expected to deliver the goods? Or am I just naive? I just don't see the point-apart from raking in a few, very few, lira- to standing in front of a class of kids and training them, like monkeys, to say the colours for 30 mins or until they get it. Big subject I know but it's just so pointless  |  | 
	
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		| norwalkesl 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:53 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Memorization is essential to learning any language. |  | 
	
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		| TeachEnglish 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| haha.. welcome to Turkey..  it seems that students here are taught to memorize..and not taught to think.. or how to learn... don't try to change anything.. just go along with the program.. or you will be labeled..and your career..here.. will be difficult.. and short..  |  | 
	
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		| studymylesson 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:22 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Don't believe it Delal. Follow Yeats', ''Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire.'' Even in Turkey, youngsters can have their thought processes kick started.
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		| scot47 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:51 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| You are not hired to teach them to think. Do what is expected of you. No more, no less. |  | 
	
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		| barabbas 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| There are good machines, and bad machines 
 from 'Midnight Express'
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		| norwalkesl 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:35 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Don't believe it Delal. Follow Yeats', ''Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire.'' Even in Turkey, youngsters can have their thought processes kick started.
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 But they won't be able to speak/read/write a language if they do not memorize the alphabet, grammar and words so that they may use them. Even a lexical approach requires the students to know chunks of language so that they can produce. To use them again outside of class requires memorization.
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		| studymylesson 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Well-designed, thought-provoking classroom activities are well-received where I work with undergraduates - language learning 'in context'?? |  | 
	
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