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kierith



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:46 pm    Post subject: Diplomatic Language Services....any info? Reply with quote

I tried the search function before posting but all it gave me was a blank white screen. I got an email announcement about this company and looked at their website it seems on the surface to be a solid company. I'm thinking of applying with them but I'd like some more information. has anyone heard of this company? Anyone worked with them?

I also have a general question what is the average monthly salary in UAE? I've seen a couple of announcements and a few posts here that have some very extreme differences. Some of the announcements say 30-36K USD a year and another one said 12-16K AED a year (which when I converted was only about 3-4K USD <---I think/hope that was a typo and was actually supposed to be per month not a year). Can anyone give me a basic a guide?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard about any diplomatic related teaching in the Gulf. I have never seen it come up on this board.

To answer your question about salary, it all depends on your educational credentials and experience. To get the highest pay at university level, you need an MA in ESL/EFL or Applied Linguistics and at least 3 years of related experience. In the best international schools, you need teacher certification from your home country plus experience.

There isn't much work for the unqualified in the UAE.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hoped I'd be able to find more information or someone that has heard of the company over there. Their website is all about the US campuses but it doesn't mention their overseas aspects.

As for my credentials: MA in Education (Curriculum and Instruction), BA in Linguistics, 4 years experience in Korea elementary to adults (including TOEIC prep classes), 3 years at an American Junior college working with adults in a one-on-one setting, several years as a private tutor working with middle and high school students. I'm not sure how it'll stack up against others but it does allow me to be at the top of the pay scale for the GEPIK program here in Korea.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the website, it seems that DLS courses are mostly (or only?) taught in the US - in the DC area.

With some creative writing on your CV emphasizing what fits into the particular job you are applying for, you may be able to pick up something at tertiary level. Most of the jobs are either teaching Foundations programs in the universities - rather similar to IEPs at US universities. But, the students tend to be lower. The TOEIC doesn't show up in the Gulf. There is some TOEFL, but mostly it is IELTS. Since lots of your work appears to be tutorials, they don't do much to give you an edge. (unless a number of those students were Arabic speakers... that would be a plus)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: Diplomatic Language Services....any info? Reply with quote

kierith wrote:
I tried the search function before posting but all it gave me was a blank white screen. I got an email announcement about this company and looked at their website it seems on the surface to be a solid company. I'm thinking of applying with them but I'd like some more information. has anyone heard of this company? Anyone worked with them?


You do need to be careful, there are quite a few scams out there. Check the sticky at the top about the scams.

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I also have a general question what is the average monthly salary in UAE?

That can't be answered easily. for what positions? grade school instructors? College level instructors? It differs depening on what you teach, your experience and your qualificaitons. or to quote Helen1 "how long is a piece of string." Smile

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I've seen a couple of announcements and a few posts here that have some very extreme differences. Some of the announcements say 30-36K USD a year and another one said 12-16K AED a year (which when I converted was only about 3-4K USD <---I think/hope that was a typo and was actually supposed to be per month not a year).

That second one is 12-16K aed per MONTH for college professors and for some primary/secondary instructors.

In general the university instructors are making over 15K aed a month to start (with a masters degree, and that is with free housing, airfare for your family, educational allowances)

In general the primary and secondary level instructors are making less (sometimes they appear to make more, but often they have to pay their own housing, education etc...)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kierith wrote:
I hoped I'd be able to find more information or someone that has heard of the company over there. Their website is all about the US campuses but it doesn't mention their overseas aspects.

As for my credentials: MA in Education (Curriculum and Instruction), BA in Linguistics, 4 years experience in Korea elementary to adults (including TOEIC prep classes), 3 years at an American Junior college working with adults in a one-on-one setting, several years as a private tutor working with middle and high school students. I'm not sure how it'll stack up against others but it does allow me to be at the top of the pay scale for the GEPIK program here in Korea.


I haven't heard of them in the UAE. Where did you find their advert? Did you apply to them and have them reply back about being based in the UAE?

with your credentials I'd suggest you look at ECAE or ZU (even HCT to get your foot in the door if you want to come to the UAE.)

ECAE (Emirates College for Advanced Education) starts at over 18 K aed a month in Abu Dhabi and with your background I think you might be a contenet teacher as opposed to a EFLer.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah that was the problem I was running into it shows all their American stuff, but the job announcement is specifically for Abu Dhabi, and lists the email address for that company. That's why I wanted to see if there was anyone out there that had heard of it.

Nope, most of my students/clients spoke two languages English and bad English (sorry bad movie quote). The large majority of them were Spanish speaking ESL students or had been at one time. I had one client from Afghanistan, and she spoke better English then some of my native English speaking students.

When you say "foundations classes" do you mean something equivalent to remedial pre-college level classes in the States. For example, undergrad Freshman English was English 1A at the junior college or English 101 at the 4-year. We had to take a level test at the JC that would put you in a class from 110-1A or higher, 110 was very basic like "xxx <-- this is a noun, circle all the nouns". 105 was a little more advanced ended with paragraphs, 51 you could write short 1-3 page papers in a very strict format, 1A was college level essays. Are the "Foundation" courses something along those lines or different?

I haven't held a university position as the actual classroom teacher responsible for teaching the material the first time, I've been the person that came through and retaught it one on one to fill in the gaps so they could pass the class, so more of a support teacher then primary teacher. I have more experience in the public school setting. I have found announcements for public school jobs in UAE but they seem to be Kindergarten which is not my area at all, I prefer upper elementary/middle school age. Any ideas where I can find those levels?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adorabilly wrote:
kierith wrote:
I hoped I'd be able to find more information or someone that has heard of the company over there. Their website is all about the US campuses but it doesn't mention their overseas aspects.

As for my credentials: MA in Education (Curriculum and Instruction), BA in Linguistics, 4 years experience in Korea elementary to adults (including TOEIC prep classes), 3 years at an American Junior college working with adults in a one-on-one setting, several years as a private tutor working with middle and high school students. I'm not sure how it'll stack up against others but it does allow me to be at the top of the pay scale for the GEPIK program here in Korea.


I haven't heard of them in the UAE. Where did you find their advert? Did you apply to them and have them reply back about being based in the UAE?

with your credentials I'd suggest you look at ECAE or ZU (even HCT to get your foot in the door if you want to come to the UAE.)

ECAE (Emirates College for Advanced Education) starts at over 18 K aed a month in Abu Dhabi and with your background I think you might be a contenet teacher as opposed to a EFLer.


I haven't applied to them yet, I wanted to do a little research first to get an idea of the company/area first. I'm looking at several different areas internationally, this one sounded really interesting. I found the job through an email filter on esljobs.com. I didn't want to send anything off to them if the company was shady, figured why invite hassles if I don't have to. Smile

Thanks for the ideas for possible locations I'll do some research on those tonight after work. I'm curious now, what is the difference between a content teacher and an EFL teacher in the UAE context?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Content teachers teach a specific course/subject ie. marketing, insurance, intro accounting.

EFL teachers, for the most part in the GCC work in partnership with the content teachers in that they help out with various vocabulary or even in joint projects with the content teacher (content looks at the substance, EFL looks at the grammar/vocabulary/sentence structure, etc.) At HCT an EFL teacher is usually teaching in a single program area (i.e. graphic arts) where the student spends x hours in design classes and x hours in English classes.

You would not want to work in a public school in GCC (a) because they don't usually pay as well and (b) the student discipline and work ethic is often totally missing (as is parental and administrative support for the teacher).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kierith wrote:
Yeah that was the problem I was running into it shows all their American stuff, but the job announcement is specifically for Abu Dhabi, and lists the email address for that company. That's why I wanted to see if there was anyone out there that had heard of it.


That is why I recommended you check out the sticky at the top of the page about scams.

Or you could write directly to the company, state you just heard about this position opening up and want to make sure it is legitimate.

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Nope, most of my students/clients spoke two languages English and bad English (sorry bad movie quote). The large majority of them were Spanish speaking ESL students or had been at one time. I had one client from Afghanistan, and she spoke better English then some of my native English speaking students.

In general the speaking and listening isn't as much of a problem here.. it is the writing and reading skills that need the most work. The sterotype (and it is a bit accurate) is that any ME/UAE students will talk your ears off... but they will have trouble writing a paragraph.
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When you say "foundations classes" do you mean something equivalent to remedial pre-college level classes in the States. For example, undergrad Freshman English was English 1A at the junior college or English 101 at the 4-year. We had to take a level test at the JC that would put you in a class from 110-1A or higher, 110 was very basic like "xxx <-- this is a noun, circle all the nouns". 105 was a little more advanced ended with paragraphs, 51 you could write short 1-3 page papers in a very strict format, 1A was college level essays. Are the "Foundation" courses something along those lines or different?


similar to that. But depending on the class, you might be as low as C A T spells what? (not quite that bad, it just feels like it at times).

The foundations programs are primarily designed to get the student ready for "college" classes.

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I haven't held a university position as the actual classroom teacher responsible for teaching the material the first time, I've been the person that came through and retaught it one on one to fill in the gaps so they could pass the class, so more of a support teacher then primary teacher. I have more experience in the public school setting. I have found announcements for public school jobs in UAE but they seem to be Kindergarten which is not my area at all, I prefer upper elementary/middle school age. Any ideas where I can find those levels?


Do a search of the different emirates and english speaking schools and that should help you find lots of positions.

Now the only issue is that you need to be a certified teacher in your home country. so if you have a UK/US/Australian teaching certificate you are fine.. if not, then you are SOL in many cases becaue the minimum requirements are set by the MOE and they are very picky.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

helenl wrote:
Content teachers teach a specific course/subject ie. marketing, insurance, intro accounting.

EFL teachers, for the most part in the GCC work in partnership with the content teachers in that they help out with various vocabulary or even in joint projects with the content teacher (content looks at the substance, EFL looks at the grammar/vocabulary/sentence structure, etc.) At HCT an EFL teacher is usually teaching in a single program area (i.e. graphic arts) where the student spends x hours in design classes and x hours in English classes.

You would not want to work in a public school in GCC (a) because they don't usually pay as well and (b) the student discipline and work ethic is often totally missing (as is parental and administrative support for the teacher).


Ok so content teachers are more like ESP instead of ESL/EFL teachers?

adorabilly wrote:
kierith wrote:
Yeah that was the problem I was running into it shows all their American stuff, but the job announcement is specifically for Abu Dhabi, and lists the email address for that company. That's why I wanted to see if there was anyone out there that had heard of it.


That is why I recommended you check out the sticky at the top of the page about scams.

Or you could write directly to the company, state you just heard about this position opening up and want to make sure it is legitimate.

Quote:

Nope, most of my students/clients spoke two languages English and bad English (sorry bad movie quote). The large majority of them were Spanish speaking ESL students or had been at one time. I had one client from Afghanistan, and she spoke better English then some of my native English speaking students.

In general the speaking and listening isn't as much of a problem here.. it is the writing and reading skills that need the most work. The sterotype (and it is a bit accurate) is that any ME/UAE students will talk your ears off... but they will have trouble writing a paragraph.
Quote:

When you say "foundations classes" do you mean something equivalent to remedial pre-college level classes in the States. For example, undergrad Freshman English was English 1A at the junior college or English 101 at the 4-year. We had to take a level test at the JC that would put you in a class from 110-1A or higher, 110 was very basic like "xxx <-- this is a noun, circle all the nouns". 105 was a little more advanced ended with paragraphs, 51 you could write short 1-3 page papers in a very strict format, 1A was college level essays. Are the "Foundation" courses something along those lines or different?


similar to that. But depending on the class, you might be as low as C A T spells what? (not quite that bad, it just feels like it at times).

The foundations programs are primarily designed to get the student ready for "college" classes.

Quote:

I haven't held a university position as the actual classroom teacher responsible for teaching the material the first time, I've been the person that came through and retaught it one on one to fill in the gaps so they could pass the class, so more of a support teacher then primary teacher. I have more experience in the public school setting. I have found announcements for public school jobs in UAE but they seem to be Kindergarten which is not my area at all, I prefer upper elementary/middle school age. Any ideas where I can find those levels?


Do a search of the different emirates and english speaking schools and that should help you find lots of positions.

Now the only issue is that you need to be a certified teacher in your home country. so if you have a UK/US/Australian teaching certificate you are fine.. if not, then you are SOL in many cases becaue the minimum requirements are set by the MOE and they are very picky.


I did not go through a credentialling program when I did my MA I went for the thesis only option. I know in some places this is will not be an asset. Honestly, based on my background experience as I've stated, should I consider giving UAE a pass or is there a possibility of finding a decent job there?

Thanks everyone for responding, I know I've gone a bit off-track from my initial request for information.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a couple clarifications. Content courses are the subjects... math, science, business, or whatever. University level teaching in the Gulf tends to be in two areas.

Either you teach Foundations courses... entry level students whose skills - well mainly reading and writing skills - are very low. While they are very verbally communicative, they can often not put together one grammatical written sentence and have been taught in the schools that spelling doesn't matter. Laughing (if only...) So, Middle East Foundations programs tend to key on reading and writing. It can take up to 2 years to get them ready for Freshman Writing or Comp I or whatever one's college called it.

Or... at some (most?) places, there are also ESP courses where you are supporting the content courses. For instance, I have taught English for Science... and English for Medicine... and English for English majors. You usually work closely with the content teachers. (the professors mainly)

In the US, teaching certification is normally done at the BA, not the MA level. That is if you have your BA in Primary or Secondary Education and then after graduation and student teaching, your state provides you with a teaching license.

I think you could certainly get a job in the Gulf and make a good salary - over $3000 a month at least. This would be completely tax free and normal Gulf benefits are free furnished housing, medical care, a bonus at completion of contract, and flight tickets each year for your two month vacation.

Now, whether you would want to teach there... read the threads and from various complaints, you will pick up the pros and cons of it all.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As to the original question... I'd call the US office in VA to check on the legitimacy of the position on offer. There are so many scams these days and they use legitimate websites to work from.

Personally I think it is probably a better choice to get a job in the local university level system rather than a US employer... but that is just my opinion...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kierith wrote:

Ok so content teachers are more like ESP instead of ESL/EFL teachers?


Content is math, business, engineering, accounting, etc...

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TI did not go through a credentialling program when I did my MA I went for the thesis only option. I know in some places this is will not be an asset. Honestly, based on my background experience as I've stated, should I consider giving UAE a pass or is there a possibility of finding a decent job there?

This does stop you from teaching in the primary or secondary level at most schools. Without the credentials (the teacher certification) then most schools won't/can't touch you. (I'm in the same problem, getting MA in education, but w/out teaching certification).

With that said, your MA, BA and teaching experience could allow you to teach content at any teaching college in the UAE. That would be HCT, ECAE, and ZU (I think).

So with your degree and experience you might qualify for the university bachelors of ed programs (which are nice gigs.)
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