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saharastars



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:34 am    Post subject: what salary have you been offered? Reply with quote

I thought that this might help people who are looking to apply in the KSA have some idea of what people are being offered in their pay packets.
Julie was offered a paltry $2,000, which I think is unfair.

is your pay under $2000?

or over?
I dont mean it to be specific but thought a poll might help, it seems I can't do one yet.
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juliee



Joined: 22 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

saharaster

I've been offered $2000..

Look..though I'm British, but I only reached my O-levels in Scotland - I did my Baccalaureate, B.A. in English Literature at the Lebanese Uni. and have 4 years teaching experience in Lebanon - not uni. level though.

Do u think that has something to do with it. Everyone knows that they treat English as a 1st Language in Lebanon, starting from pre-school. They especially concentrate on Grammar.

Advise me.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Everyone knows that they treat English as a 1st Language in Lebanon


With all due respect, everyone knows no such thing.

Some Lebanese speak excellent English, but others speak little or none. Fair enough - it's an Arabic speaking country. If you were born and raised in Lebanon, you are not going to be regarded as a native speaker, no matter how good your English may be.

BTW being a native speaker usually does not have a huge impact on salary calculations. Some places add a bonus for being a native speaker, but even in these cases, other factors - such as your level of education and your teaching experience - have far more to do with it.
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juliee



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was born in Scotland and lived there till my O levels. I am a native speaker and its in my C.V.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was born in Scotland and lived there till my O levels. I am a native speaker and its in my C.V.



OK - but what I was taking issue with was your contention that English is the first language of Lebanon, when it patently is not.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Correct. Furthermore, French is more commonly (and more fluently) spoken by Lebanese. (compared to English)

So in other words, English is the 3rd language in Lebanon, or maybe 2nd language along with French for some of the population.

And if you go out of the urban centers into the villages, you would be hard pressed to find more than a few people who speak [broken] English.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another question: Are you a British citizen? If so, did you apply as such?

Nationality has far greater bearing on pay scales than does 'native speaker' status. A British citizen will usually get paid a lot more than a Lebanese citizen for doing the same job, even if the former is not a native speaker and the latter is.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was born in Scotland and lived there till my O levels.
They don't have O levels in Scotland. What presumably you are referring to is the Ordinary Grade of the Scottish Certificate of Education.
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juliee



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean GCSE - my mistake
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juliee



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I applied as a British Citizen through Saxoncourt, but in Saudi they know the situation in Lebanon. The salaries are very low.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You mean GCSE
I don't mean GCSE. They don't have GCSE in Scotland.
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juliee



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say that English is a first language - I meant they teach English as if a first Language, using original British/American curriculums.

Sorry for any ambiguity ...
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svatopluk



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

$2000 is seriously low. $4000 is an acceptable wage.

TEFL must be the only profession where salaries go down as the years go by.
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Middle East Beast



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care WHAT credentials you have or lack, $2000 to work in Saudi Arabia is just nuts.

$2000 should be what you get just to agree to submit yourself to the treatment you'll receive there, THEN add on your salary for doing your job there.

For God's sake, we're talking about SAUDI FREAKIN' ARABIA!
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juliee



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The old system in Scotland was SCE ordinary grades - now it's standard grades - I also studied GCSE in Scotland - where the subjects were not available as standard grades
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