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Hansen



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Conflict Resolution in China Reply with quote

I had been living comfortably in a flat when, suddenly and unexpectedly, alot of noise started coming down from above. The flat above had been empty for a long time. Suddenly, I was being awakened constantly and subjected to very annoying and irritating noise, big noise, from above.

A new couple had moved in. After consulting with friends, I started tapping on the ceiling when the noise was too much. No result; consequently, I started rapping the ceiling. Unfortunately, the people upstairs started stomping on the floor. Awakened from a sound sleep, I shot out the door with a shovel handle in my hand and started beating on the door of my upstairs neighbor.

I was surprised to discover it was a colleague from school with whom I had a nodding acquaintance.. After a brief discussion and apology , I thought the matter had been resolved. I decided to move to another flat.

Although he really had nothing to do with managing my affairs, he managed to become responsible for hooking up my new phone. He sat on it for a month, did nothing. The FAO told me that since he had to work with the guy and it was really a dispute between us, he could not get involved. He did tell me that the guy had told him about our episode and was not going to hook up my phone [simply from spite].

I went to my department head, told him what had happened, and said he needed to arrange coverage for my classes, which I would not be attending until the phone was fixed.

He contacted the school principal and my phone was working the next day.


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A man called Roger



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A new couple had moved in. After consulting with friends, I started tapping on the ceiling when the noise was too much. No result; consequently, I started rapping the ceiling. Unfortunately, the people upstairs started stomping on the floor. Awakened from a sound sleep, I shot out the door with a shovel handle in my hand and started beating on the door of my upstairs neighbor.

You started with tapping on the ceiling and then moved onto bashing their door with a shovel handle!

Did it never enter your mind to just knock the door and ask them to be quiet?

Sounds a pretty strange story - what do you keep that shovel handle for?
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Hansen



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunate Roger, that you often assume the worst of people. I had been upstairs. By this time, I had been about three weeks without a decent night's rest. As stated in the post, on this particular occasion, I had been awakened out of a sound sleep that I had managed to catch during the hours when most people are not asleep. The point being that it had become impossible to sleep in the place at anytime, without being awakened.

Of course, rather than assuming the best of people, you assume, like the xiaoren of Confucius, the worst.

If you weren't so intent on criticizing other people, you might have noticed numerous factors which indicated an escalating situation, no doubt in part because of weeks of sleep deprivation on my end as well as my unfamiliarity with the poorly constructed place in which I live.

Hopefully, in view of the entire scenario, including the vengeance directed toward me over a situation which I thought had been resolved, others might gain some insight.

Even though I moved from a place I had been in for nearly two years so as to avoid further problems, the "gentleman" still made a point of messing with my living situation to the extent that the school principal was required to intervene. My contract was intentionally violated by a person to settle a petty score. Numerous administrators knew it and would do nothing.

Perhaps another FT can learn from my experience.
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A man called Roger



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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no doubt in part because of weeks of sleep deprivation on my end as well as my unfamiliarity with the poorly constructed place in which I live.

It took you weeks to find your way to their front door - knock knock "I'm your neighbor from downstairs can you be a little quieter"
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Perhaps another FT can learn from my experience.

I'm sure they can Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Yet another great post, Hansen - I for one appreciate your China-life revelations - very entertaining.
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jiangsu



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was quite a funny story.

As someone who has had to put up with bad neighbours, I can appreciate some of the apparently less rational aspects of Hansen's backlash Laughing
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Hansen



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger, While I don't believe you to be a stupid person, you are, after your time here, definitely manifesting characteristics of the dreaded xiaoren. I suppose it is more character flaw, than mental incapacity, on your part, which causes you to miss the obvious response to your own criticism.

Good luck with that.


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mat chen



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Roger on this one. Noisy neighbors everwhere and we are headed into the fireworks season. Remember last year's spat Brian had with his neighbors. BS protectors work for me with Rolling Stone's songs pumped up full blast.
Also the official way of showing anger in China is a meat cleaver not a shovel.
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A man called Roger



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I shot out the door with a shovel handle in my hand and started beating on the door of my upstairs neighbor.

There are many poster who have reminded us of the violent nature of western society and how peaceful it is in China. With all our western guns, knifes and muggings - I suppose in this case we can be thankful that weapon in this post was just a shovel handle.


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alter ego



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's break this down one paragraph at a time.

Hansen wrote:
I had been living comfortably in a flat when, suddenly and unexpectedly, alot of noise started coming down from above. The flat above had been empty for a long time. Suddenly, I was being awakened constantly and subjected to very annoying and irritating noise, big noise, from above.

What do you mean by a lot of noise? You say it was a very annoying, irritating, and big noise, but what exactly was the noise? Were they moving in, making love, playing football? Your use of suddenly + past continuous passive in this paragraph is confusing.

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A new couple had moved in. After consulting with friends, I started tapping on the ceiling when the noise was too much. No result; consequently, I started rapping the ceiling. Unfortunately, the people upstairs started stomping on the floor. Awakened from a sound sleep, I shot out the door with a shovel handle in my hand and started beating on the door of my upstairs neighbor.

Why did you consult with friends? Why not go upstairs and talk to your new noisy neighbors? Why did you tap on the ceiling? Why not just go upstairs and talk to your noisy neighbors? Your story is confusing. You go from people upstairs stomping on the floor to being awakened from a sound sleep. You make yourself sound like a deranged madman. Why would any sane person beat on their upstairs neighbor's door with a shovel handle to complain about noise without first knocking on their door in a polite neighborly fashion (or even a grouchy unneighborly fashion) and asking them to keep the noise down?

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I was surprised to discover it was a colleague from school with whom I had a nodding acquaintance. After a brief discussion and apology , I thought the matter had been resolved. I decided to move to another flat.

Why were you surprised? Why didn't you already know who your neighbor was? Why did you escalate the situation so suddenly and unexpectedly to a level of such unnecessary violence? Why did you move to another flat? Did your neighbors continue to make big noises after you beat on their door with a shovel handle? Were you asked to leave? Why such a dramatic escalation of events?

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Although he really had nothing to do with managing my affairs, he managed to become responsible for hooking up my new phone. He sat on it for a month, did nothing. The FAO told me that since he had to work with the guy and it was really a dispute between us, he could not get involved. He did tell me that the guy had told him about our episode and was not going to hook up my phone [simply from spite].

Why were you still in a dispute? What was your ongoing dispute really about? What do you suppose the guy told your FAO about your episode? Why do you think he held a grudge against you?

My goodness, Hansen, are you kidding? This is a joke, and you posted this just to see what kind of a reaction you'd get, right? But since you think it's job related, let me give you some job-related advice: Learn a few basic steps of conflict escalation and resolution before using a deadly weapon to beat on the door of a noisy upstairs neighbor whose door you've never even knocked upon and who, in the end, might even be one your colleagues. Rolling Eyes
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats good advice Very Happy
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Hansen



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't post this in hope of vindication. It's obvious that I lost my temper and acted inappropriately. I apologized to the person and, rather than have an ongoing quarrel, since the noise issue had been going on for months, moved to another flat.

Rather than write a long, detailed narrative, I simply tried to post the high points here Obviously not among friends, nor at the school, there are numerous details I might add to correct the erroneous conclusions certain individuals have reached.

What I had hoped to illustrate, for the benefit of others, was the respose of the individual. He would not let it go, as the inappropriate behavior of a foreigner in what had become a difficult environment.

His way of "getting even" was to mess with my telephone.

While this particular incident may be disgusting to most of you, there may be some, such as myself, who incline to inappropriate forms of conflict resolution and/ or confrontation. Simply be aware that these things don't play out as in western countries.
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A man called Roger



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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His way of "getting even" was to mess with my telephone.

If I ever came after anyone with a shovel handle - I'd be hoping for the mildest form of revenge or indeed punishment. For the victim of 'Shovel handle threat' to only go as far as mess with the perpetrators telephone would seem an extremely civilized and thinking form of retribution Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

I think the OP is trying to give us another lesson on how peaceful China is in comparison to the west - lets hope the actions of unthinking and potentially violent FT's don't push difficult situations to dangerous extremes - after all new FT's following in their footsteps can't help but pick up a piece of reputation that comes in the form of burden rather than any professional advantage.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"For the victim of 'Shovel handle threat' to only go as far as mess with the perpetrators telephone would seem an extremely civilized and thinking form of retribution"

Yes, that's true from your point of view. Other people, who look at things more from other perspectives including a professional one, would have realized that the matter need not/should not be carried into the workplace; however, bringing it into the workplace was exactly the sneaky, duplicitous, backstabbing behavior in which certain types of Asian people specialize.

I was shocked to the bone when I experienced this approach from Asians in the workplace in the States. Still shocks me. Confrontation, directness, identifying a problem and resolving it I understand. Conniving, subterfuge, avoidance, are things with which I struggle.

Those who are more comfortable with the latter deserve whatever %&#* comes their way.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A man called Roger wrote:
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His way of "getting even" was to mess with my telephone.

If I ever came after anyone with a shovel handle - I'd be hoping for the mildest form of revenge or indeed punishment. For the victim of 'Shovel handle threat' to only go as far as mess with the perpetrators telephone would seem an extremely civilized and thinking form of retribution Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

I think the OP is trying to give us another lesson on how peaceful China is in comparison to the west - lets hope the actions of unthinking and potentially violent FT's don't push difficult situations to dangerous extremes - after all new FT's following in their footsteps can't help but pick up a piece of reputation that comes in the form of burden rather than any professional advantage.

agreed. we had a guy here 2 or 3 years ago that was potentially violent and lashed out in anger (screaming/shouting at the messenger) almost anytime he was handed any additional task that got in the way of his leisurely lifestyle. it seemed that his only goal here was to anger people and damage the reputation of FTs as much as possible.

the school, rather than deal with this clown the way they should have, eventually took the unusual conflict resolution method of paying him the (minimum) breach penalty just to get rid of him. the working and living environment at our school was tense while he was here but changed dramatically after he left.
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Hansen



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for clearing this up guys. I'm shore glad I still have my job. I went to the principal of the school about the living situation, explained the problem, and asked for a solution. He offered me 1000RMB/monthly toward a new flat.

Deep down inside, I believe that violence is a useful coping mechanism. Years ago, when facing some difficulties I could not control, I put a beating on a guy, twice. He took a strong dislike to me, threatened me, and came at me. The first time, he literally stalked me across a room. When I couldn't back up any more. I caught him with a solid kick to the *beep*. He crumpled like a paper bag. Had I really stomped him good when he was down, instead of walking away, he wouldn't have been back.

Round two: Later, after he recovered, he came back to "git sum mo." Result was the same but the approach different. He surprised me and quickly rushed me. When the dust cleared, he was across the hall, on the floor, stunned. Boy, that felt good. Later, I was exhilirated. More useful that a psychiatrist, counsellor, alcohol, and so forth.

Yes, I am a bad, evil man. So are you. We're just different bad evil. I sleep well at night, however. No doubt the wudang sword routines I love plus the long handled broad knife, contribute to a good night's rest.

Cool


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