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Professor



Joined: 22 May 2009
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: Here's a new question!!! Reply with quote

Got an FM2
Going to the States by bus because I don't like to fly
Leaving from DF entering the States through laredo
WHERE do I get the exit stamp for my visa since I'm not flying out?? The airport says they won't do it unless I leave from the airport.
Get a bus to new laredo and find a migracion office there????????
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wildchild



Joined: 14 Nov 2005
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Location: Puebla 2009 - 2010

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just went to the U.S.... crossed on foot in Tijuana/San Diego.....

no stamps, goin out or coming in...

i wouldn't worry about it brother...
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norwalkesl



Joined: 22 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming your passport is US:

You do not need an exit stamp. If you have your FM2 you can come and go as you please. Crossing the US-MX or MX-US border via bus/on foot is as easy as walking down the sidewalk. A complete and total non-issue. Just bring your passport and present it when the bus is checked or when you walk across the border into the US. They do this all the time, and it is a smooth process.
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Tretyakovskii



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Location: Cancun, Mexico

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see where this could leave you feeling a little perplexed. It's also interesting, from another standpoint.

A holder of an FM2 cannot be out of Mexico more than 18 months in the first five years he holds the FM2; but, with the FM2 not being stamped in/stamped out, there is no record of your departure, and re-entry. Sounds like a possible advantage, doesn't it.

However, in this situation, I'd be concerned that U.S. Immigration might stamp the U.S. passport, either on entry or exit at the U.S. border. Then, at renewal time for the FM2, it might happen that an astute employ of INM would notice, among all the pages of your passport copy you must submit at renewal, this very interesting bit of information, that you had been out of Mexico without clearing Mexican Immigration.

It's my impression that both an FM2, and an FM3, carry with them the duty to clear Mexican Immigration, both upon leaving and returning. That it is awkward, or difficult to do, practically speaking, wouldn't constitute an excuse, if it were the case that you have this duty.


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wildchild



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i asked U.S. immigration for a stamp. they said no.
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tricky business, this, eh? U.S. citizens sometimes get stamped in, never on leaving....

Why take the chance of screwing up your new FM2, like that, if it's possible to avoid it? Talk it over with INM, well before you go. They will probably be able to suggest a solution, and will appreciate that you care about the laws of Mexico, and the privilege you have of holding an FM2.
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scottmx81



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just go to the immigration offices at the car permit building in Nuevo Laredo. To do that you'd have to get off the bus in Nuevo Laredo, though, rather than staying on one that goes right across the border from the interior. I'm sure they know how to process people leaving the country there since people are supposed to stop there on their way out to have their car permit removed from the system. I can't confirm Nuevo Laredo, but I got an exit stamp at the car permit building in Reynosa once.
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Prof.Gringo



Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tretyakovskii wrote:
I can see where this could leave you feeling a little perplexed. It's also interesting, from another standpoint.

A holder of an FM2 cannot be out of Mexico more than 18 months in the first five years he holds the FM2; but, with the FM2 not being stamped in/stamped out, there is no record of your departure, and re-entry. Sounds like a possible advantage, doesn't it.

However, in this situation, I'd be concerned that U.S. Immigration might stamp the U.S. passport, either on entry or exit at the U.S. border. Then, at renewal time for the FM2, it might happen that an astute employ of INM would notice, among all the pages of your passport copy you must submit at renewal, this very interesting bit of information, that you had been out of Mexico without clearing Mexican Immigration.

It's my impression that both an FM2, and an FM3, carry with them the duty to clear Mexican Immigration, both upon leaving and returning. That it is awkward, or difficult to do, practically speaking, wouldn't constitute an excuse, if it were the case that you have this duty.


If you have a FM-3/2 you need to have it stamped by INM upon leaving Mexico. They also issue you a piece of paper. Keep it with your FM-2/3 and that must be turned in upon return to Mexico along with another stamp inside your book.

Not doing so is an immigration violation.

Having a FM-2/3 is a Mexican immigration concern and no concern to the US CBP/ICE.

The US has stamped my passport upon entering and clearing the CBP checkpoint.
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Professor



Joined: 22 May 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm now in Laredo Texas and yes, migracion in Mexico stamped it for me. They also told me that I would need to have it stamped again when I go back into Mexico.
I never received a paper though Prf. Gringo. I hope I won't have a problem going back in. I don't think I will since migracion didn't give me any hassle about not having a paper.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professor wrote:
Well I'm now in Laredo Texas and yes, migracion in Mexico stamped it for me. They also told me that I would need to have it stamped again when I go back into Mexico.
I never received a paper though Prf. Gringo. I hope I won't have a problem going back in. I don't think I will since migracion didn't give me any hassle about not having a paper.


You should be OK.

Have a good trip!
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MikeySaid



Joined: 10 Nov 2004
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Location: Torreon, Mexico

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm supposed to get my FM-2 stamped while out of the country? hmmmmm

I didn't do that.

Is there something I need to do to keep it active while out of the country?

We'll probably be in Phoenix the next three years for her PhD program but I'll be in and out of Mexico and can keep my work status up to date with my suegros.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeySaid wrote:
I'm supposed to get my FM-2 stamped while out of the country? hmmmmm

I didn't do that.

Is there something I need to do to keep it active while out of the country?

We'll probably be in Phoenix the next three years for her PhD program but I'll be in and out of Mexico and can keep my work status up to date with my suegros.


Yes, it must be stamped. Each time you leave and enter Mexico. There's also a paper that must be kept with it.

You can't have a FM-2 and live outside of Mexico. It's a max of 180 days in 5 years, unless you're married to a Mexican, than it's 180 days in 2 years. FM-2 is a perm. resident in Mexico. So they want you to reside in Mexico.
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Tretyakovskii wrote:

A holder of an FM2 cannot be out of Mexico more than 18 months in the first five years he holds the FM2;


Tretyakovskii posted correctly for the FM2 holder, and it matters not, whether you are married to a Mexican or not married at all. You do not want to mess with your FM2, since this is the path to citizenship, and all your documents will be scrutinized carefully by the SRE when the time comes.

Immigration is apparently going to start tracking time out of Mexico for FM3 holders, and this is where the 180 day confusion arises from. If you don't spend at least 180 days a year in Mexico, you technically are a tourist and don't qualify for the FM3. Makes sense. In fact, enforcement may be under way now, since we have heard rumblings about Immigration officials, accompanied by a fellow from Hacienda, "door-knocking" those with FM3 applications and renewals, to check if they are actually living where they say. In tourist-landia, we have a rash of people who spend very little time here, buying rental properties. With an FM3, they can apply for a healthy reduction in property taxes, as well as avoid capital gains taxes. These benefits are for those actually living here, and not for tourists. Go figure.

There is a designated office in the airports to "stamp you out" of Mexico and issue you the documentation you will need to hand over on your return. (You can proceed through the Returning Resident line, rather than Visitor to Mexico line, which is a time saver in our airport.) Unfortunately you have to be a little more diligent at the land crossings.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and by the way, FM2 is not for permanent residency (it's immigrant). Only after your 5 year stint with the FM2 can you apply for this.
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