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uberscheisse
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 Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:43 pm Post subject: Cameras in arena rock shows in Japan |
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I got tickets to the AC/DC concert in March at Saitama Super Arena...
I wanted to bring in the smaller of my 2 cameras to get a few mementos as Angus Young is one of my favorite guitarists... I know in Canada or the US people will get their panties in a bunch about copyright/intellectual property, but I'm not so sure about Japan.
On a Canadian Ticketmaster ticket it'll say "no cameras or recorders". Does anyone have any experience with any sort of rules/regulations regarding this in Japan? |
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SoulCal
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| That would be an emphatic "YES"!! They will definitely not let you bring in any recording device, except for your cellphone. So, if youre going to do it, you better hide it well and be very discreet when you record; otherwise, youll either get your camera taken away or booted out by security. If you think the US and Canada are bad, youll be in for a rude awakening in Japan. The Japanese are extremely anal with their rules. Youre already going to look suspicious to them if youre a foreigner of non-asian heritage, so when they see you walking around with a camera, that paranoia will be magnified even more and youll probably get more weird stares than you normally would. |
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uberscheisse
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| thanks for the tip. i shall either be law-abiding or discreet. |
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ironclad80
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: |
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i'm not in japan (though i wish was) nor have i ever attended a concert in japan but i'd like to offer my $0.02.
concert tickets have always said "No Cameras or Recording Devices" but i've been taping concerts since 1996 with a portable DAT (Digital Audio Tape) recorder/good mics and never had a problem.
as you can imagine, in 1996 very few people had cell phones, so when i turned on the glowing light on my recorder to check my sound levels it was always a concern security would see this suspicious light in a sea of darkness. now in the cell phone era it's not a concern because they would just assume it's a cell phone. times have changed.... but because of cell phone it's easier than ever to get recording devices, cameras, etc into concerts.
just shove it in a place nobody is going to check (if you know what i mean) till you get inside. try not to use flash and if in the rare circumstance they do see you taking photos the worst they'll do is probably shine a flashlight at you. back in the day they'd eject you from the show if they caught you with a 35mm camera or recording device but it's not like that anymore.
and after all, the DAT walkman was manufactured in Japan and it's sole purpose was pretty much to be a small, high-tech recording device that can be sneaked into venues to record shows. of course it wasn't marketed that way but everyone knows that's the real reason!
anyway, you'll be fine.... |
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lisa111082
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Location: Too close to Mt. Fuji
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:05 am Post subject: |
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i'm not in japan (though i wish was) nor have i ever attended a concert in japan but i'd like to offer my $0.02.
concert tickets have always said "No Cameras or Recording Devices" but i've been taping concerts since 1996 with a portable DAT (Digital Audio Tape) recorder/good mics and never had a problem.
as you can imagine, in 1996 very few people had cell phones, so when i turned on the glowing light on my recorder to check my sound levels it was always a concern security would see this suspicious light in a sea of darkness. now in the cell phone era it's not a concern because they would just assume it's a cell phone. times have changed.... but because of cell phone it's easier than ever to get recording devices, cameras, etc into concerts.
just shove it in a place nobody is going to check (if you know what i mean) till you get inside. try not to use flash and if in the rare circumstance they do see you taking photos the worst they'll do is probably shine a flashlight at you. back in the day they'd eject you from the show if they caught you with a 35mm camera or recording device but it's not like that anymore.
and after all, the DAT walkman was manufactured in Japan and it's sole purpose was pretty much to be a small, high-tech recording device that can be sneaked into venues to record shows. of course it wasn't marketed that way but everyone knows that's the real reason!
anyway, you'll be fine.... |
Yes, please encourage him to break the rules and make it tougher on the rest of us.
I go to shows all the time and they do enforce the no recording/no photography rules. At the doors they search your belongings and if you have a recording device, they take it and hold onto it until you leave the venue. At big venues they have a LOT of staff patrolling the area, so even if you don't get caught, there's a chance you will get reported by people around you.
Just don't do it. |
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OneJoelFifty
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| lisa111082 wrote: |
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i'm not in japan (though i wish was) nor have i ever attended a concert in japan but i'd like to offer my $0.02.
concert tickets have always said "No Cameras or Recording Devices" but i've been taping concerts since 1996 with a portable DAT (Digital Audio Tape) recorder/good mics and never had a problem.
as you can imagine, in 1996 very few people had cell phones, so when i turned on the glowing light on my recorder to check my sound levels it was always a concern security would see this suspicious light in a sea of darkness. now in the cell phone era it's not a concern because they would just assume it's a cell phone. times have changed.... but because of cell phone it's easier than ever to get recording devices, cameras, etc into concerts.
just shove it in a place nobody is going to check (if you know what i mean) till you get inside. try not to use flash and if in the rare circumstance they do see you taking photos the worst they'll do is probably shine a flashlight at you. back in the day they'd eject you from the show if they caught you with a 35mm camera or recording device but it's not like that anymore.
and after all, the DAT walkman was manufactured in Japan and it's sole purpose was pretty much to be a small, high-tech recording device that can be sneaked into venues to record shows. of course it wasn't marketed that way but everyone knows that's the real reason!
anyway, you'll be fine.... |
Yes, please encourage him to break the rules and make it tougher on the rest of us.
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Why would that make it tougher on everyone else?
I had no idea this was so strict. In the UK I hardly notice it. OP, are you talking about a video camera or a photographic camera? |
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lisa111082
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| OneJoelFifty wrote: |
| lisa111082 wrote: |
| ironclad80 wrote: |
i'm not in japan (though i wish was) nor have i ever attended a concert in japan but i'd like to offer my $0.02.
concert tickets have always said "No Cameras or Recording Devices" but i've been taping concerts since 1996 with a portable DAT (Digital Audio Tape) recorder/good mics and never had a problem.
as you can imagine, in 1996 very few people had cell phones, so when i turned on the glowing light on my recorder to check my sound levels it was always a concern security would see this suspicious light in a sea of darkness. now in the cell phone era it's not a concern because they would just assume it's a cell phone. times have changed.... but because of cell phone it's easier than ever to get recording devices, cameras, etc into concerts.
just shove it in a place nobody is going to check (if you know what i mean) till you get inside. try not to use flash and if in the rare circumstance they do see you taking photos the worst they'll do is probably shine a flashlight at you. back in the day they'd eject you from the show if they caught you with a 35mm camera or recording device but it's not like that anymore.
and after all, the DAT walkman was manufactured in Japan and it's sole purpose was pretty much to be a small, high-tech recording device that can be sneaked into venues to record shows. of course it wasn't marketed that way but everyone knows that's the real reason!
anyway, you'll be fine.... |
Yes, please encourage him to break the rules and make it tougher on the rest of us.
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Why would that make it tougher on everyone else? |
At least in the genre I am into, it's foreigners 99% of the time who record and post things on youtube. The Japanese fans always complain about it and I have been reported on several occasions for "recording" when I don't do it. In my experience, my things are more thoroughly searched than those of the Japanese. |
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OneJoelFifty
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Ah right, I didn't realise you were referring to foreigners, I thought you were referring to gig-goers in general. I can see how another person getting caught wouldn't help change perceptions. |
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ironclad80
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| lisa111082 wrote: |
| ironclad80 wrote: |
i'm not in japan (though i wish was) nor have i ever attended a concert in japan but i'd like to offer my $0.02.
concert tickets have always said "No Cameras or Recording Devices" but i've been taping concerts since 1996 with a portable DAT (Digital Audio Tape) recorder/good mics and never had a problem.
as you can imagine, in 1996 very few people had cell phones, so when i turned on the glowing light on my recorder to check my sound levels it was always a concern security would see this suspicious light in a sea of darkness. now in the cell phone era it's not a concern because they would just assume it's a cell phone. times have changed.... but because of cell phone it's easier than ever to get recording devices, cameras, etc into concerts.
just shove it in a place nobody is going to check (if you know what i mean) till you get inside. try not to use flash and if in the rare circumstance they do see you taking photos the worst they'll do is probably shine a flashlight at you. back in the day they'd eject you from the show if they caught you with a 35mm camera or recording device but it's not like that anymore.
and after all, the DAT walkman was manufactured in Japan and it's sole purpose was pretty much to be a small, high-tech recording device that can be sneaked into venues to record shows. of course it wasn't marketed that way but everyone knows that's the real reason!
anyway, you'll be fine.... |
Yes, please encourage him to break the rules and make it tougher on the rest of us.
I go to shows all the time and they do enforce the no recording/no photography rules. At the doors they search your belongings and if you have a recording device, they take it and hold onto it until you leave the venue. At big venues they have a LOT of staff patrolling the area, so even if you don't get caught, there's a chance you will get reported by people around you.
Just don't do it. |
i didn't tell him to get caught  |
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Fina1
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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The benefits don't outweigh the risks in my opinion.
On one hand, you could break the law (and from what I heard that's a very bad idea in Japan, especially for a foreigner) and try to sneak in a camera, maybe get a few good shots or a video to remember the concert by.
Hopefully it would, hypothetically, be for your own personal use and not be posted online.
On the other hand, you can try to sneak one in, get caught, get fined/imprisoned (not sure what the punishment is there but I wouldn't be surprised if it's worse than the U.S.). Of course, you will lose your job and if you are imprisoned the moment you get out (if your visa has expired), you'll be sent on a plane home.
This is all assuming that you are a foreigner with a visa.
And if not, still please don't do it.
You would be breaking the law regardless of whether you get caught. |
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uberscheisse
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:08 am Post subject: |
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The benefits don't outweigh the risks in my opinion.
On one hand, you could break the law (and from what I heard that's a very bad idea in Japan, especially for a foreigner) and try to sneak in a camera, maybe get a few good shots or a video to remember the concert by.
Hopefully it would, hypothetically, be for your own personal use and not be posted online.
On the other hand, you can try to sneak one in, get caught, get fined/imprisoned (not sure what the punishment is there but I wouldn't be surprised if it's worse than the U.S.). Of course, you will lose your job and if you are imprisoned the moment you get out (if your visa has expired), you'll be sent on a plane home.
This is all assuming that you are a foreigner with a visa.
And if not, still please don't do it.
You would be breaking the law regardless of whether you get caught. |
would it be breaking a law, or just the policy of the artist/promoter/copyright holder/venue?
in canada it's not against the law - it just goes against the standard contract between the artist and the venue. i doubt it would be different in japan. |
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norwalkesl
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| Bring your cellphone and use it as an mp3 recorder and video camera. |
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uberscheisse
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Bring your cellphone and use it as an mp3 recorder and video camera. |
yeah, unfortunately it's a band i care deeply about and want to produce stuff people would actually want to look at. |
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Fina1
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| uberscheisse wrote: |
would it be breaking a law, or just the policy of the artist/promoter/copyright holder/venue?
in canada it's not against the law - it just goes against the standard contract between the artist and the venue. i doubt it would be different in japan. |
Well, I'll admit I am not an expert on law in Japan, but in the U.S. I am pretty certain that if you went to a rock show and recorded the music and the preformance, especially if you let other people watch it, that you'd be breaking copyright law.
It's why some websites like YouTube are constantly removing videos that even contain music from different bands.
Maybe (and it's a big maybe) if you recorded it and had absolutely no intention of ever letting anyone else see it, then you could be in the clear. However, proving that you have no intent to distribute the copyrighted material would be difficult, especially if Japan does have a law against it.
I know I would never do it because the last thing I would want is to end up with a huge fine and/or imprisonment in a foreign country (let alone my own country). |
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uberscheisse
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: |
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I know I would never do it because the last thing I would want is to end up with a huge fine and/or imprisonment in a foreign country (let alone my own country). |
i'm pretty certain that anything to do with copyright law in the US is still being decided civilly. have those RIAA retards been able to bring imprisonment into the picture in any situation? i have never heard of that, just outlandish lawsuits where a huge record company sues a walmart employee for 21 million dollars or some ridiculous crap like that.
in my experience, rule-breaking in japan and other foreign countries is dealt with by a forceful yet gentle "dame desyou" so i really think imprisonment is a pretty paranoid fantasy. i just don't want to get kicked out of the concert. |
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