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Middle East Beast

Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 836 Location: Up a tree
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: HCT |
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HCT's not bad, but man are more teachers needed.
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Eisenhorn
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 146 Location: HCT Land. UAE
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Ah ... lovely. Trolling.
Since HCT has over 14 campuses (I do I count MZ and ruwais seperate? I never know) all over, you are bound to find good campuses and bad.
And opinions vary from one campus to another about their management. Some instructors love it, and some hate it.
If you dislike your campus, feel free to leave. No one is making you stay here and teach. There are literally dozens of others who will take your place.
Now with regards to management, quite often it seems that ogres/ogress rise to the top due to wasta, and the management system/style here is usually not very good. Often, they do not lead by example, but instead prefer to rule by fear and paranoia. But it varies from campus to campus, director to director.
But you are painting with a VERY WIDE brush to try to indict the entire HCT system. If you don't like it, leave. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Defend them? I think HCT and the system pros and cons have been pretty well covered here - especially in the last few months. Some can cope with it and some can't. I was happy to arrive there... loved my teaching... enjoyed most of my fellow teachers... and was even happier to leave. I don't regret a moment of it - professionally I learned so much from the exceptional teachers that I worked with, but I wouldn't go back. The place is way too top heavy with management.
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Middle East Beast

Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 836 Location: Up a tree
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Just kidding...very understaffed, though.
The UAE is a pretty nice country.
The students are great, too. |
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secretsquirrel
Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 73 Location: Next to Dick Dastardly!
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: ADWC |
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I'll have to put you right on THIS, Eisenhorn...
"If you dislike your campus, feel free to leave. No one is making you stay here and teach. There are literally dozens of others who will take your place. "
HCT staff at Abu Dhabi Women's College are no longer free to leave. It's well-known that a block has been put on teachers transferring out of ADWC to other HCT collegess in the system. So in fact the management ARE making them stay there and teach.
As for the 'literally dozens of others' who are waiting in the wings, I doubt it. The unjustified sackings of several highly respected and well-liked faculty members in recent months has led to a catastrophic decline in morale, which has been well-documented on these pages and a certain blog, I believe. Almost no-one is happy there, few want to remain now, hence the refusal to consider transfers out - it would be a very unedifying spectacle (for the management) of a mass exodus!
The Dean known as 'The Ruler' has been mostly responsible for this state of affairs, and she is despised by virtually all the teaching staff there. She bullies the other managers into submission, and exercises her position of influence with certain Emiratis to consolidate her grip on the college.
It's a brave fool who wants to work there now! |
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helenl
Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 1202
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:33 am Post subject: |
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I think the poster meant to imply that if unhappy, one could resign and leave HCT altogether. The situation at ADWC reminds me of the situation at the Sharjah campus not so long ago - when conditions were similar, the villain, the director.
Anyone who asked for a transfer was considered a traitor and was not renewed (if up for renewal) and subject to various insidious forms of "harrassment" until up for renewal (i.e. extra duties, new/extra preps, constant micromanagment, criticism, etc.) and then not renewed.
As to whether there are dozens waiting in the wings, there seems to be quite a few - I imagine they're making do (in EFL especially) with adjuncts in some campuses as well - where they seem to be scrambling for instructors is in the content courses more than EFL?
Over the past 5 years teachers have been given more contact hours and more ex-class duties/projects while the conditions and pay have not kept pace. Now the pay is not slave wages, but it certainly isn't what it once was - however, it is still competitive with other similar institutions in the UAE |
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secretsquirrel
Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 73 Location: Next to Dick Dastardly!
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:32 am Post subject: new recruits |
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Beg to differ a little there, helenl. While it's true that there have been large problems in sourcing content teachers (especially white ones with MAs and PhDs), these problems have been extending to ESL teachers too.
In the part of the HCT empire that I know best, several new ESL/EFL recruits have been non-European and non-Western types, but with EU or US passports. In other words, they are not native speakers. This is not to denigrate them in any way, but merely to point out that recruiting requirements have been changed - downwards.
Another source of English teachers, as you point out, are adjuncts - housewives with a Tefl certificate and little experience of teaching. While these candidates may be suitable for teaching the usual course-book crap to low level students, they're hardly the caliber required for the more serious stuff.
What the HCT apparently fails to understand is that, as the quality of management declines, so will the number of suitable teaching applicants they receive. This in turn means that they will cast the net for teachers even wider, attracting less suitable candidates. In short, it's a downward spiral that can only be halted by getting rid of the awful managers that HCT currently has, rather than victimising good teachers and sacking them for trivial reasons.
BTW, I note that a handful of new teachers at ADWC have walked already, after only a few months. Clearly they were very disappointed at what they saw - and experienced. How will they reverse this decline at ADWC? The teachers are waiting to see - but they ALL know where the solution lies! |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: new recruits |
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secretsquirrel wrote: |
In the part of the HCT empire that I know best, several new ESL/EFL recruits have been non-European and non-Western types, but with EU or US passports. In other words, they are not native speakers. This is not to denigrate them in any way, but merely to point out that recruiting requirements have been changed - downwards.
Another source of English teachers, as you point out, are adjuncts - housewives with a Tefl certificate and little experience of teaching. While these candidates may be suitable for teaching the usual course-book crap to low level students, they're hardly the caliber required for the more serious stuff. |
Sorry, but I have to say that this posts smacks of... a bit of arrogance? Things are terrible because they are hiring a few non-native speakers? WHAT? So, we are better - even though we share equal credentials - just because we are native speakers??? Wow... that is rather offensive. No wait... it is very offensive... in spite of your attempt to claim that this is not to denigrate them.
Add to that your comment about content teachers "especially white ones with MAs and PhDs." Just... wow... I am actually embarrassed to even read comments like that. I am trying to remember... and I think only about 10% of the content teachers when I was there were... white. I don't recall it being either a problem or an issue.
Even back when I was there, they were hiring one or two non-credentialed "housewives" every semester to fill the gaps. Most of them had education credentials, but no TEFL papers. And the fact is that they were fantastic teachers. To keep them, HCT helped them get the CELTA and all of them got full contracts. I hear that at least one of them went on to get an MA. Yes, they were put with the lowest level students, but heaven knows that there are always a few groups of them every year.
As to your current management, you are correct. I hear from people at ADW that the situation is dire and many want to bail out. It is the same as when I was there, but the problem was at DWC when the Big H was on the warpath constantly. Things have been quiet there now for years. And then it was Sharjah's turn and it was miserable there for a few years running. At both of those they wouldn't let people transfer out.
The thing about large places like HCT is that management changes almost as fast as faculty. Hopefully the bad press here will help to facilitate some changes at ADW. It may take a year or so and a few applicants that refuse a position when they find it they will be sent to ADW. Those that leave need to make it clear why they are leaving. Teacher whining will be ignored... but hiring issues get their attention.
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Eisenhorn
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 146 Location: HCT Land. UAE
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: ADWC |
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secretsquirrel wrote: |
I'll have to put you right on THIS, Eisenhorn...
"If you dislike your campus, feel free to leave. No one is making you stay here and teach. There are literally dozens of others who will take your place. "
HCT staff at Abu Dhabi Women's College are no longer free to leave. It's well-known that a block has been put on teachers transferring out of ADWC to other HCT collegess in the system. So in fact the management ARE making them stay there and teach.
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SS. I meant quit the system and go to another job entirely. I know of several people in different locations who absolutely have detested the management of their respective campus... either do the job, or leave.
it is really a simple statement. I know that it sounds callous, but it is the way it is.
I cannot tell you how much I despise people who sit around and bicker and complain constantly. No one is making you stay with HCT or stay in the UAE.
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As for the 'literally dozens of others' who are waiting in the wings, I doubt it. The unjustified sackings of several highly respected and well-liked faculty members in recent months has led to a catastrophic decline in morale, which has been well-documented on these pages and a certain blog, I believe. Almost no-one is happy there, few want to remain now, hence the refusal to consider transfers out - it would be a very unedifying spectacle (for the management) of a mass exodus!
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Again, with the economic troubles there are lots of experienced teachers who are looking for work and have started applying to work at HCT, and in fact there are lots of EX HCTers who finished contracts and went "home" only to come back to HCT after 2 or 3 years because it is the best opportunity for it.
I fully understand and agree about "unjustified sackigns of several highly respected and well liked faculty members" across numerous colleges (I have heard from people at ADWC, RKW, ADM, and a few other places). And I agree, the management across the board seems to need a serious kick in the ass as they seem to have difficulty in leading a toddler to the potty let alone leading universities. But that is neither here nor there. The OP was ranting about Fuj and wanting "HCT apologists" to come in and say it is all ok or to defend the management style.
I was not defending the management, but pointing out that there are good schools and bad ones in HCT, and if you (metaphorically) don't like it, you can always leave.
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The Dean known as 'The Ruler' has been mostly responsible for this state of affairs, and she is despised by virtually all the teaching staff there. She bullies the other managers into submission, and exercises her position of influence with certain Emiratis to consolidate her grip on the college.
It's a brave fool who wants to work there now! |
I concur. |
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freesoul
Joined: 09 Mar 2009 Posts: 240 Location: Waiting for my next destination
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: new recruits |
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secretsquirrel wrote: |
In other words, they are not native speakers. This is not to denigrate them in any way, but merely to point out that recruiting requirements have been changed - downwards. |
Ridiculous statement in its implications and even hilariously contradictory in itself; and all that is in just one sentence. Bravo!!! |
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BrownSauce
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 87 Location: Fantasy Island
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: native speaker teachers |
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I'm not so sure, freesoul. I would imagine that an English-medium college like HCT, or any such college in the UAE, would only employ native speakers or 'bilingual' Arabs to teach English. Perhaps they would also choose teachers from India and similar countries where English is an official second language, and who had studied in English.
But several friends of mine have noted that the demand for EFL/ESL teachers in the UAE now is so strong that non-natives are frequently employed to teach English, and their grasp of the language is not adequate - simple fact. If this upsets you, that's tough. |
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secretsquirrel
Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 73 Location: Next to Dick Dastardly!
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Oh dear, it seems I have rattled a few people's cages! Well, let it be - I'm not worried at all, as we all have the right to express our own opinions.
And while I'll ignore some of the more childish comments wheeled out by the chronically PC members of this forum, I would like to respond to the craven attitude displayed by one in particular.
Comments such as these - "either do the job, or leave." - make me want to heave. Never heard of 'spine'? If you feel that something is wrong, then you have every right to stand up and draw attention to it. If teachers in the UAE had some sort of effective union or staff association, we could counter management malpractice and bullying. But we don't, so we have our only recourse in the pages of forums such as this.
And then this: "I cannot tell you how much I despise people who sit around and bicker and complain constantly." Really? Then why did you just tell me? And you know what? I CAN (and will) tell you how much I despise people who have no backbone, and will roll over whenever faced with unnecessary discomfort and unethical workplace practices.
And another thing - if we don't make a fuss, things will never get better, Dr Pangloss. Never heard of the saying "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"?
As you're not prepared to do anything, as nothing stirs your conscience, I guess you're not one of the 'good men', eh?!
As for the remark that "No one is making you stay with HCT or stay in the UAE. ", I can counter with a simple question. Why should I leave when I'm not in the wrong? You're welcome to join the Yellow-bellies on the plane home, or just sit in your apartment/villa and count the money, but SOME of us possess a sense of dignity and self-respect that can not be either bought or ignored.
Somehow, I don't think you're one of them. |
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helenl
Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 1202
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:00 am Post subject: |
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UAE Law No. 8 of 1980, as amended by Law No. 12 of 1986 (the "Labour Law") governs most aspects of employer/employee relations, such as hours of work, leave, termination rights, medical benefits and repatriation.
Trade unions do not exist. In the case of a dispute between employer and employee, or in interpretation of the Labour Law, the Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs will initially act as an adjudicator, in an effort to resolve matters. If a party wishes to appeal any such decision it can take its case to court. Strikes and lock outs are forbidden Source = the following www.lowtax.net/lowtax/html/dubai/jdblab.html
As you say SS, maybe if teachers did organize and stand up for themselves as a group and individually, bullying management types would have to tread more lightly. However, as the excerpt above shows, unions are not "allowed" in UAE, and those who have gone on strike in the past have either been fined, arrested, or put on the next plane home.
As for being able to appeal to the Ministry of Labour in the event of a dispute, yes, that is possible. In addition, if your residency has been revoked, you have 30 days to get out of UAE - hardly time enough to resolve a court case and pursuing one long distance is difficult at best (not to mention expensive).
Perhaps people should have more "gumption" but most of us have to earn a living and having to fight one's employer is stressful at best - most will take one of two options - suck it up and put up with the conditions, or pack their bags and move on. And I sincerely believe that's what most people do all over the world in most industries.
Until and unless people refuse to take jobs with poor employers in the first place things probably won't change significantly. When organizations can't get decently qualified employees or keep them longer than 6 months, then the organization will start to seriously look at itself and its practices and management. |
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Eisenhorn
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 146 Location: HCT Land. UAE
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: |
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secretsquirrel wrote: |
Oh dear, it seems I have rattled a few people's cages! Well, let it be - I'm not worried at all, as we all have the right to express our own opinions.
And while I'll ignore some of the more childish comments wheeled out by the chronically PC members of this forum, I would like to respond to the craven attitude displayed by one in particular.
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I'm craven now. YES!!!! When do I get to recruit my own ilk? Hopefully it will be soon.
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Comments such as these - "either do the job, or leave." - make me want to heave. Never heard of 'spine'?
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Plenty of times. Usually it is when folks are describing me as in "he has a spine."
Exactly how does coming on a internet message board and whinging and whining demonstrate "spine?" How does sitting around the staff room complaining, bickering, and backbiting demonstrate "spine?" How does constantly being in other peoples business, finding out others salaries, complaining amonsts your selves demonstrate "spine?"
Other than that you are perfectly demonstrating a LACK of one.
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If you feel that something is wrong, then you have every right to stand up and draw attention to it.
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EXACTLY. How does coming on some internet chat board show you are standing up for something right? It doesn't. It shows that you are bitching and whinging. Show some spine and go in and either complain directly to management and demand a redress for your grievences, or stop complaining. So either do the work or STFU.
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If teachers in the UAE had some sort of effective union or staff association, we could counter management malpractice and bullying. But we don't, so we have our only recourse in the pages of forums such as this.
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waaaaaa. waaaaaaa. Do you need a nappy? If you don't like it, then leave. If you want "some sort of effective union" then go to the US or the UK.
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And then this: "I cannot tell you how much I despise people who sit around and bicker and complain constantly." Really? Then why did you just tell me?
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I was calling you out for your childish and immature whinging and bitching. It is rather simple. If you don't like it, then LEAVE. No one is holding you here. No one has chained your foot to your desk. You don't like what management does? Then go somewhere else. It is amazing how that actually FIXES a lot of problems.
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And you know what? I CAN (and will) tell you how much I despise people who have no backbone, and will roll over whenever faced with unnecessary discomfort and unethical workplace practices.
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Ah.. so then you must despise yourself. You are doing NOTHING except posting rantings on some backwater discussion board. That isn't "backbone" that is an immature child. If you have something you dislike doing, then tell your boss that. I do. I refuse to do some committee work, I have refused to work with supervisors who are incompetent.
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And another thing - if we don't make a fuss, things will never get better, Dr Pangloss. Never heard of the saying "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"?
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And that is all you are doing. Making a fuss. You are bitchign on an internet chat board. If you had any "backbone" or "spine" you would take it directly to your management. Or their management.
so again, either do the job or LEAVE. it is really rather simple.
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As you're not prepared to do anything, as nothing stirs your conscience, I guess you're not one of the 'good men', eh?!
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appeal to emotion logical fallacy. Thank you for playing.
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As for the remark that "No one is making you stay with HCT or stay in the UAE. ", I can counter with a simple question. Why should I leave when I'm not in the wrong?
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Oh the "it isn't FAIR" argument. Got it. So then what are you planning on doing EXACTLY? Besides for bitch and complain in the staff room, or on the internet? oh right... nothing. Except make other peoples lives miserable.
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You're welcome to join the Yellow-bellies on the plane home, or just sit in your apartment/villa and count the money, but SOME of us possess a sense of dignity and self-respect that can not be either bought or ignored.
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moral outrage much? P.s. you are now being ignored. Have fun. |
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D. Merit
Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 203
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:12 am Post subject: |
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secretsquirrel wrote: |
SOME of us possess a sense of dignity and self-respect that can not be either bought or ignored. |
I have to agree with Eisenhorn.
The place for you to bring your sense of dignity and self respect to bear is surely in the offices of the managers you are complaining about.
Or maybe you could even get an appointment with the vice chancellor and impress him with your dignity.
That would be the route for someone with self respect who has a complaint.
Sounding off on the internet just makes you seem like a blowhard. |
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