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Ishmaeli.
Joined: 11 Dec 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:21 pm Post subject: the low-down on finding work in Japan |
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Hey, so I just wanted to know some basic stuff about teaching in Japan, from those that are veterans of it. I've already taught in Australia & Korea, so I'm not a total newbie, but I understand things are a bit different in japan.
first of all, is it realistic to look for jobs from the US and expect them to fly you over (it's common for Korea, but I only see Westgate doing it for Japan)?
secondly, if I'm looking for a job outside of Tokyo (hopefully Hokaido), will cost of living be any lower....and, in any case, is saving money a realistic goal? I don't eat out much or get wasted at ex-pat bars so I'm hoping that I can save a little over one thousand USD a month....is this realistic?
I'd love to hear what you folks have to say
thanks
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Rooster_2006
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 984
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: the low-down on finding work in Japan |
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I haven't even lived in Japan, but I can tell you the answers to those things...
Ishmaeli. wrote: |
Hey, so I just wanted to know some basic stuff about teaching in Japan, from those that are veterans of it. I've already taught in Australia & Korea, so I'm not a total newbie, but I understand things are a bit different in japan.
first of all, is it realistic to look for jobs from the US and expect them to fly you over (it's common for Korea, but I only see Westgate doing it for Japan)? |
No, not common at all. It's hard to even find a decent job IN Japan these days. Almost no one pays airfare except for Westgate and JET, and of course, with the bad economy, there are fewer jobs and many more applicants.
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secondly, if I'm looking for a job outside of Tokyo (hopefully Hokaido), will cost of living be any lower....and, in any case, is saving money a realistic goal? |
Yes, it's realistic. Even in Tokyo, you can get a small one-room apartment for 90,000 yen a month (try Sakura house). In Hokkaido it'll be much cheaper (though there will be move in costs like key money in most cases). Since your take-home pay after taxes (assuming you're making 250K a month) is 200,000 yen, that leaves 110,000 yen a month for food, transportation, savings, etc. Get a bicycle and bike to work for free exercise and a free ride. Cook at home. These are tactics you can use in any country whether it's Ghana or Japan.
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I don't eat out much or get wasted at ex-pat bars so I'm hoping that I can save a little over one thousand USD a month....is this realistic? |
No, not really realistic, but theoretically possible. If you just rented a small room, cooked at home (or lived in a geshuku which kills two birds with one stone) and biked to work, you could do it. If you expect the "normal" standard of living that many westerners are used to (apartment with its own bathroom and a car), $1,000 a month in savings will be tough unless you're working with JET or at a uni where the salaries are somewhat (but not astronomically) higher than an eikaiwa (count on 300K for JET and maybe more than that for uni or a senmongaku).
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I'd love to hear what you folks have to say
thanks
Ish |
Hey, I think I did pretty well on this question considering I've never lived in Japan, eh?  |
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Fina1
Joined: 19 Oct 2009 Posts: 22 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Although I'm not a veteran (my job isn't even starting until March) I believe I can answer some of your questions. Hopefully someone else can verify my answers.
No, I don't think it is realistic to expect the company to fly you over. I think in the past this was more common, but I believe that the trend of people getting a work visa, having the company pay for their plane ride, and then quiting their job on the first day stopped that. Even if they quit their working visa is still good for a year and they can find another teaching job more easily once in Japan.
I've heard cost of living in Tokyo is extremely high and I think that if you live elsewhere you will definitely be able to save more money.
On Hokkaido, I think it may be harder to get a job there, especially from overseas, because the companies that commonly recruit overseas don't have many (if any) schools in Hokkaido.
Hokkaido was my first choice when applying for a job but I was told there were only three company schools there and none had openings any time soon.
I think that saving over a thousand a month is going to be extremely difficult. The normal base pay for eikaiwa teachers (if that's what you plan on doing) is 250,000 JPY a month (some places pay slightly more). For ALTs I think it's lower, but I'm not 100% sure.
You need to factor in housing, groceries, transportation, utilities, taxes, any outstanding bills from the U.S., and mandatory health insurance. In fact, there may be more you need to consider.
I had a rough estimate of what I could save of about $900 a month...and that was being very frugal.
I won't say it's impossible, but from what I've heard, saving money in Japan is much harder than it is in Korea. |
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mushroomyakuza
Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Posts: 140
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Like, Fina, I haven't been there yet but have my job lined up for March.
Yes, the cost of living in Tokyo is high, but I'm in contact with two people over there who say it's not as high as it's made out to be and a lot of it depends on your lifestyle ie. if you frequently get bladdered on week nights, you may be in trouble.
One of them constantly tells me to "chill out" about it all, and insists that I'm worrying too much. Maybe I am.
Airfare being paid seems to be a thing of the past with exception of being on JET or some other government program, so you might as well forget about it.
As for savings, well, I'd say a thousand a month is unlikely, given the cost of accommodation, living etc but you're free to try. One of my contacts says he has managed to save about �3000, but that's been throughout the year. I, on the other hand, fully expect to burn every last yen to keep myself and my girlfriend (who may not be working) afloat. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Being a decade-long veteran here, I will just add to what the others have written with a bit of polishing.
Airfare.
Don't expect anyone to do it. Westgate reimburses after the fact in 2 paychecks, BTW. JET pays up front (but you have missed the application deadline for 2010 jobs). About 99% of other places do not pay airfare.
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I think in the past this was more common |
The very distant past.
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is it realistic to look for jobs from the US |
Yes, but only about a dozen major players actually recruit from abroad.
GEOS
ECC
AEON
the former NOVA (G.com now)
Altia
Peppy Kids Club
James English School
David English House
Language House
Westgate Corporation
JET Programme
Berlitz
Shane
Not all of them recruit in the U.S., and you will have to abide by their schedule and interview locations. Expenses for the 1-3 day interviews are on your shoulder, not theirs. Some have even said that despite continuing to interview now, they may have a year-long wait until they can actually place candidates.
Costs in any rural area are usually lower than in a city like Tokyo. Look at the thread I started on "cheapskates" for some tips on how to save money.
Saving US$1000 a month is possible but you will have to be very frugal and disciplined. Also, when you put it in terms of U.S. money, you also have to know what the exchange rate gives you. Moreover, some people supplement their FT job income with side work, which can bring you up into the better savings realm, but don't plan on doing this right out of the chute. On a "standard" salary of about 250K/month, figure half of that will go to basic necessities. What you save from the remainder depends entirely on you.
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I've heard cost of living in Tokyo is extremely high |
No higher than London or New York City, so judge from that. If you can't save back home, you will not be able to save when abroad. The allure of spending money is strong (souvenirs, sightseeing, entertainment, doing things with new-found friends). Moreover, most time off is during major holiday periods (Obon, Golden Week, New Year's time), when most other companies have their vacations, so you will face huge crowds of locals taking public transportation and reserving lodging, and that's why rates also go up then. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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While rent may be high in Tokyo compared to the rest of the country (and that varies hugely depending on where in Tokyo, age of the building, distance from the station etc), I can't think what else is more expensive here than elsewhere in Japan. Food is not expensive here (unless you shop at import stores and eat at restaurants all the time), transport is no more expensive than anywhere else in Japan (although distances may be greater), clothing, haircuts, household items are certainly no more expensive here than elsewhere, and in fact may be cheaper as there is more competition here than anywhere else.
There is definitely more temptation to spend in Tokyo, but other than that, and rent, the constant claims that "Tokyo is expensive!" (usually by people who have never been there) actually don't reflect reality that much.
Someone mentioned riding a bicycle to work- in any larger city in Japan this may not be possible as the average commute is over 30 mins by train. There is also the issue of parking the bicycle when you get there- bike parking is in demand and if you are at an eikaiwa in particular there is usually no parking provided. Leaving your bike on the street usually results in it being picked up by the city authorities and impounded. |
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cornishmuppet
Joined: 27 Mar 2004 Posts: 642 Location: Nagano, Japan
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:29 am Post subject: |
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Apsara wrote: |
While rent may be high in Tokyo compared to the rest of the country (and that varies hugely depending on where in Tokyo, age of the building, distance from the station etc), I can't think what else is more expensive here than elsewhere in Japan. Food is not expensive here (unless you shop at import stores and eat at restaurants all the time), transport is no more expensive than anywhere else in Japan (although distances may be greater), clothing, haircuts, household items are certainly no more expensive here than elsewhere, and in fact may be cheaper as there is more competition here than anywhere else.
There is definitely more temptation to spend in Tokyo, but other than that, and rent, the constant claims that "Tokyo is expensive!" (usually by people who have never been there) actually don't reflect reality that much.
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Agreed. A guy I know, when he was there up to June this year, didn't save anything working because he went out drinking most nights, even though he was going to all-you-can-drink and 300yen a beer places, etc. His rent was like 70,000, but everything else was no more expensive than anywhere else, he just did a lot more of it....
When I was in Paris last year I had to resort to sandwich shops for dinner because it was nigh on impossible to find somewhere to eat for less than 30 euros per person. Not the case in Tokyo, there are a million places you can eat for under 1000 yen, but if you want to drop 10,000yen on dinner, that's possible too!
Beware the temptation of the flashing lights....  |
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flyer
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 539 Location: Sapporo Japan
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:17 am Post subject: |
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I am in Hokkaido and while it is cheaper housing, the power and heating (much colder and longer winters) are more expensive. On top of this unless you are in central Sapporo you would probably need a car (as public transport is few and far between)
and then there is the problem of much less work!
IMO if you don't have any experience a bigger city might be a good place to start
but there are a few jobs advertised from time to time in Hokkaido for green teachers
good luck
PS
My whole house rent is 50,000 (large free standing house) with its own garage and parking space for 2 cars (free) |
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ShioriEigoKyoushi
Joined: 21 Aug 2009 Posts: 364 Location: Japan
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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flyer wrote: |
I am in Hokkaido
My whole house rent is 50,000 (large free standing house) with its own garage and parking space for 2 cars (free) |
Lucky you. Might help to know more details like how old the house is.
I rented apartments in Sapporo (outskirts, actually) and never paid less than 75,000-80,000. New ones, they were.
As for public transportation being few and far between in Sapporo, I would have to disagree. Perhaps it depends on where you needed to go, but they have subways, trains, buses, streetcars, and taxis. Heck, there's even a horse-drawn tourist cart! |
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Deep Thirteen
Joined: 23 May 2009 Posts: 39 Location: East Sea Japan
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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James English School seems to have most of its locations in Hokkaido. Interac also does Hokkaido. Both recruit from overseas. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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But Interac doesn't seem to have so many placements up in Hokkaido which is probably why its also managed by the Tokyo branch. In my training group, only one newbie got placed in Sapporo last spring. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Deep Thirteen wrote: |
James English School seems to have most of its locations in Hokkaido. |
There are no JES schools in Hokkaido as far as I know. From the JES homepage, the locations are all in northern Honshu.
http://www.jesjapan.com/schools.html |
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ssjup81
Joined: 15 Jun 2009 Posts: 664 Location: Adachi-ku, Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
Deep Thirteen wrote: |
James English School seems to have most of its locations in Hokkaido. |
There are no JES schools in Hokkaido as far as I know. From the JES homepage, the locations are all in northern Honshu.
http://www.jesjapan.com/schools.html |
Maybe the person is thinking of JES Network. |
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