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Cursive or Italic or..............?
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:47 am    Post subject: Cursive or Italic or..............? Reply with quote

Which form of handwriting do you expect your students to read and to use ?

My personal preference is for a Modified Italic which my Art teacher introduced me to to 50 years ago.

I am surprised to see some teachers in the region still using the cursive that went out of fashion about the time Harold Mamillan was in Number 10.
It is also quite difficult to read !
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My rule was... as long as it was legible. A large proportion of my students were only able to print. Since I taught mostly higher level writing courses, only the first draft had to be written by hand with further drafts on the computer.

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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

..........maybe handwriting is obsolete ?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear scot47,

Maybe WE are. Shocked

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John
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With Malice Toward None



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: Cursive or Italic or..............? Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Which form of handwriting do you expect your students to read and to use ?

My personal preference is for a Modified Italic which my Art teacher introduced me to to 50 years ago.

I am surprised to see some teachers in the region still using the cursive that went out of fashion about the time Harold Mamillan was in Number 10.
It is also quite difficult to read !

Dear Scot,
I would prefer something that avoids confusion esp when you use m,n,u,o, etc in sequence. I also hope to see a standard application of research-based conventions in this regard.
I myself try to stick to a basic separateness of letters; most of my students just draw anyway, not write, really.
Regards and thanks for a good thread which is becoming a rarity.
WMTN.
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denise



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as it's neat and legible, I don't really have a preference. My own handwriting is a mixture of print and cursive, so I can't/don't really expect the students to favor one or the other.

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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still wonder about expecting students to read cursive. Is that reasonable ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering the low level of most of the students, probably not. It is hard enough for me to read the writing of many native speakers, so I can't imagine how mysterious bad handwriting must look to the students.

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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know where the original poster gets the idea that cursive is fifty years out of date. I taught handwriting to primary school students in the 90s and the American textbooks we used all taught cursive. We used to have to change the handwriting we used on the board half way through grade 3.

I haven't checked but most students I believe use print style, the same as I do on the board.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I follow the practices of the late TOM GOURDIE who was instrumental in introducing Italic Handwriting into Scottish schools in the 1950's and 1960's.

http://www.tomgourdiesgallery.co.uk/

I will leave Stephen Jones and others to follow the obscurantist ways of their American masters.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not all of us share your artistic nature... Cool

VS
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Neil McBeath



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:13 am    Post subject: Cursive or italic Reply with quote

I was at school in Aberdeen in Scotland in the 1950s.

I remember that we were not allowed, under any circumstances, to use biro pens because they would ruin our handwriting.

Neither were we allowed to use fountain pens (same reason).

We were forced to use steel nibbed dip pens and to carry our own individual bottles of Quink Blue-Black ink. The ensuing chaos in a class of 33 eight year olds can be left to the imagination.

Oddly enough, by the time we had moved on to Secondary School, such obscurantist rules had been thrown out.
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With Malice Toward None



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Neil,
I think you could have mentioned whether those obscurantist methods had some effect or none at all..
Regards.
WMTN.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then there is the whole world of hand writing as religion........
http://www.lifepositive.com/mind/psychology/handwriting-analysis/handwriting.asp
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I could perhaps accept that handwriting reflects some aspects of our personality, the idea of changing your handwriting intentionally to affect your personality does seem a stretch to me... a HUGE stretch. Cool

That would seen to negate the need for psychologists and psychoanalysts... we could just teach people new handwriting... simple fix...

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