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kazazt · Joined: 15 Feb 2010 Posts: 164

You have no chance of getting a job at an international school. You have a great chance of getting a job at a bad private school. language school or maybe a private uni.

You lack any teaching qualifications and your experience is irrelevant as it is tutoring.

The cheapest interantional school fees work out as 20 000 dollars a year not counting tranport/ meals and extras. Your only chance would be to get your kid into a local private school but even that would eat up half your salary.

toyiki · Joined: 23 Oct 2009 Posts: 39

kazazt · Joined: 15 Feb 2010 Posts: 164

You never mentioned CELTA in your post but K12s require the same qualifications for working in a state school in your own country-for the UK that would be a PGCE. Bog standard TEFL qualifications do not count. If they did we would all be working there.

Bosphorous University do not offer any qualifications that would be any use for you in an interantional school.

A local private school may take you but your lack of qualifications and experience mean you would get very low pay.

toyiki · Joined: 23 Oct 2009 Posts: 39

toyiki · Joined: 23 Oct 2009 Posts: 39

Are you a teacher yourself?

kazazt · Joined: 15 Feb 2010 Posts: 164

Yes, you do not mention a CELTA but you do talk about the DELTA. The DELTA is for experienced teachers preferably with the CELTA.

The Bosphorous course is for local teachers not for work in an international school.

toyiki · Joined: 23 Oct 2009 Posts: 39

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interesting how people don't really read what you've written and then answer it as if they have...

kazazt · Joined: 15 Feb 2010 Posts: 164

No there are few international schools in Istanbul no doubt because of the high fees and the few foreigners who can afford them.

You will not get your kid into one based on your qualifications. There is no mention of the celta but it is of no matter because schools do not employ based on what you say you will do.

You are right the private schools are grim and the few good ones are not going to pay anything much on your limited experience and poor qualifications.

toyiki · Joined: 23 Oct 2009 Posts: 39

kazazt · Joined: 15 Feb 2010 Posts: 164

Of course you can get your kid into any school if you pay but your OP mentioned getting it for free. You did not mention celta only delta.

You have no k12 experience and no K12 qualifications. Neither celta nor delta is any value for international schools.

You asked for advice and do not like it when your lack or experience and qualifications are pointed out.

toyiki · Joined: 23 Oct 2009 Posts: 39

I just find your style insulting and depressing.
YOU havent read my posts very carefully, and you are entitled to your own opinions.
I dont like the way you talk to me.
So this is the last time I will reply to you.
Go bully someone will less confidence.
I have no idea what you are doing...but I get the impression that you are unhappy and things are not going right for you. And if that is wrong then you just get your thrills from insulting other people.
Write what you like I will not reply. Thankyou for your opinions, there will always be people like you out there,
And If I dont find a job that is ok too.
If you do bother to reply on here I will not reply back.
And if I dont get a job, then its not the end of the world.
And are you a qualified and experienced etacher who is working in an inetrnational or k12 school? with an ELT degree ?

PC Parrot · Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:19 am Post subject:

You're upset? You're insulted?

Why should experience in private tuition count for anything?

Why should the fact that your degree was from a top university count for anything?

It's rather insulting to those of us with decent qualifications when some housewife gets upset because someone points out to her that teaching English is a real job that requires real experience and qualifications.

Would you really want your kid to be going to the same private school that employed you - a newly qualified CELTA teacher with no experience? I would rather send mine to a school that took education a little more seriously.

toyiki · Joined: 23 Oct 2009 Posts: 39

You're upset? You're insulted?
Yes I am and that's none of your business.

Why should experience in private tuition count for anything?
It does count in some places AND alot of people I know have no experience whatsoever and they still get hired.

Why should the fact that your degree was from a top university count for anything?
Because MEB accepts a degree fplus a celta so you must take it up with them. Also quite a few schools advertise for an ELT or Eng Lit bachelors degree.I also took electives in child psychology and education, but I didn't do my teaching certificate which I have always regretted.

It's rather insulting to those of us with decent qualifications when some housewife gets upset because someone points out to her that teaching English is a real job that requires real experience and qualifications.

I agree totally, but just to put things straight, I have never sat at home or have been a housewife. I worked until the last day of my pregnancy and started work 2 weeks after. I am not upset because anyone pointed out I do not have an ELT degree. I am quite aware of that fact. I am only hurt by the tone of the postings which I found to be bordering on nasty.

Would you really want your kid to be going to the same private school that employed you - a newly qualified CELTA teacher with no experience? I would rather send mine to a school that took education a little more seriously.

Yes I would like my kid to get a teacher like me. I don't think a teacher with a literature degree is worse thatn an art major, or an economics major with a celta. I do have experience with groups of children, and I have 2 years of experience as a kindergarten teacher. I may be getting my CELTA soon but that doesn't mean I am new to the world of education. I am also interested in getting my teaching certificate and a masters degree in ELT, but they are not going to happen overnight. I have exellent references from my employers and they are all aware of the fact that I studied English language and literature, in fact, I incorpaorate literature and history into our lessons. The children love it.

I hope you do check out the native teachers at your childrens schools because 90% do not have a bachelors degree in ELT or teaching. If you do then you will be earning more than them, but they are still around and in every school, and they advertise for 4 year diplomas and a CELTA which is what the turkish ministry accepts for a legal teacher.

Thankyou for your opinion but the law says differently. And if it didn't there wouldn't be many native speaker teachers around.

fishmb · Joined: 08 Jul 2009 Posts: 184 Location: Istanbul

OP: Take everything everyone says with a grain of salt.

Tutoring children in small groups sounds like useful experience to me. Even tutoring kids one-on-one, while different, wouldn't be entirely untransferable. If you've been doing that kind of thing for 11 years I think some pre schools will definitely take a look at you, especially with a CELTA. There are a lot of pre schools out there after all. You might consider also getting the YLE - young learners extension that some schools offer. I don't know how useful it is but it would boost your credentials a bit more.

Sorry I don't have any advice about preschools or places for your kid. I've been focused on only teaching adults and haven't looked at that at all.