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Visa/work permit expires Jan. 30, new job is March 2...?!?
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ayahyaha



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Visa/work permit expires Jan. 30, new job is March 2...?!? Reply with quote

So, I just finished a contract with one school and I'm taking a job with another. In between (they're both universities) is the Chinese New Year holiday.

My FEC/RP expire January 30. The new positions start around March 2. Everyone has been telling me that I'm responsible for getting some sort of a visa to carry myself in the interim.

What in the world am I supposed to do? I don't want to go abroad. I would consider it if it was the ONLY way around this, but I'm not even sure that would help.

I thought I had to be in my home country to get a Z-visa or even an L tourist visa, correct? So I'm not sure how going to HK or Vietnam would really help me.

STUCK! Any thoughts?

Muchas gracias.
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randyj



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One need not be in their home country to obtain an "L" or "Z" visa, but I would hope the new school would give some assistance. Failing that, what's wrong with getting guidance from your local friendly PSB office? What's the worst thing that could happen?
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ayahyaha



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one at the PSB speaks English and my current employer wants nothing to do with it. The new employer seems to think getting a quickie extension (for a month or so) would be a piece of cake.

I've been reading about this and it seems to be true...just go to the PSB and tell them you need a little time after your RP is expired?
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LoPresto



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could be wrong, but, I was under the impression that a employer/school must arrange for a departing employee a 30 day visa, after the RP/contract expires in order to settle their affairs and leave China or in your case move to a new school.
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ayahyaha



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoPresto wrote:
I could be wrong, but, I was under the impression that a employer/school must arrange for a departing employee a 30 day visa, after the RP/contract expires in order to settle their affairs and leave China or in your case move to a new school.


That would be lovely, but it's not in my contract and they certainly don't seem to know about it...

Where did you see/hear/read that?

It makes sense to me, however, especially since my final pay is supposed to happen the same day that my visa expires.
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LoPresto



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A former colleague told me that after he left my current school. I don't have any links for you though. Try SAFEA.

Good Luck!
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thefuzz



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoPresto wrote:
I could be wrong, but, I was under the impression that a employer/school must arrange for a departing employee a 30 day visa, after the RP/contract expires in order to settle their affairs and leave China or in your case move to a new school.


I was always given a 30 day tourist visa after my work permit / residence permit expired or was cancelled by the school.
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ayahyaha



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thefuzz wrote:
I was always given a 30 day tourist visa after my work permit / residence permit expired or was cancelled by the school.


Did the school arrange that for you? As in, just hand it to you, or did you have to visit offices and sign things, etc.?

Thanks!
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senorfay



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the necessary paperwork from your old and new school (letter of release+recommendation, police registration, Foreign Expert Certificate, new contract) and turn in your passport on or before the deadline.

That way the PSB will have your passport when it expires.

I've done that in the past and it's not a problem. You can also back date your new contract with your new employer to begin when your old one expires, but you probably won't have to do that though.

It's no sweat. Don't worry about changing to a tourist visa or any of that crap. Just make sure the PSB has your passport before the old RP expires.

Two years ago, I turned in my passport on the last day. This year it was the third to last day that I turned it in to be renewed.


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thefuzz



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ayahyaha wrote:
thefuzz wrote:
I was always given a 30 day tourist visa after my work permit / residence permit expired or was cancelled by the school.


Did the school arrange that for you? As in, just hand it to you, or did you have to visit offices and sign things, etc.?

Thanks!


The school did it for me.
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ayahyaha



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

senorfay wrote:
Get the necessary paperwork from your old and new school (letter of release+recommendation, police registration, Foreign Expert Certificate, new contract) and turn in your passport on or before the deadline.

That way the PSB will have your passport when it expires.

I've done that in the past and it's not a problem. You can also back date your new contract with your new employer to begin when your old one expires, but you probably won't have to do that though.

It's no sweat. Don't worry about changing to a tourist visa or any of that crap. Just make sure the PSB has your passport before the old RP expires.

Two years ago, I turned in my passport on the last day. This year it was the third to last day that I turned it in to be renewed.


I like your solution the best...except that the reason this is turning into such a hassle is that the new school is on holiday as of tomorrow (they told me this today) and I won't have any of the paperwork until late Feb./March. So, no signed contract or anything until that time.

I do have the release letter+rec from my current school...but that's it.

Also, the new job is in a completely different city. So, I wouldn't be submitting the paperwork to the same office. Right?

Sigh. Sigh. Sigh. Thanks for the advice all the same.
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senorfay



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sigh...sigh nothing!

You need to talk to the new foreign affairs officer. There must be a way around this. You need to push people a little bit harder. When it's time to present your documents, you'll have to do it in the new city.

Just because it's a holiday break doesn't mean it's a holiday break. The police are still working. The schools are working too in funny little ways. You don't need to bribe anyone, but showing your face in the new city might help things a bit.

At least get an invitation letter sent to your current address so all you have to do is go to Hong Kong.

A month in Hong Kong will hurt your savings a bit. Perhaps you do have to go abroad, but that seems crazy. There must be a 'Chinese' solution to this problem.
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ayahyaha



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

senorfay wrote:
sigh...sigh nothing!

You need to talk to the new foreign affairs officer. There must be a way around this. You need to push people a little bit harder. When it's time to present your documents, you'll have to do it in the new city.


Thanks for the advice, but I've already pushed as much as possible on all fronts. I only turn to this message board when I'm at my wit's end with Chinese people.

The new foreign affairs officer is already gone on holiday. The old foreign affairs officer is gone on maternity leave.

senorfay wrote:
Just because it's a holiday break doesn't mean it's a holiday break. The police are still working. The schools are working too in funny little ways. You don't need to bribe anyone, but showing your face in the new city might help things a bit.


I already told them I'd be there next week. They said it doesn't matter because they'll all be on holiday.

senorfay wrote:

At least get an invitation letter sent to your current address so all you have to do is go to Hong Kong.


Already asked about that, of course. No paperwork will be done until March, when they all return from holiday. Not to mention, I can't receive mail at my current address as of next week because it'll be closed for the holiday (I live on campus).

senorfay wrote:
A month in Hong Kong will hurt your savings a bit. Perhaps you do have to go abroad, but that seems crazy. There must be a 'Chinese' solution to this problem.


I agree that there MUST be a solution--what people are saying here makes sense to me. I think, since I'm in a very small town where they've never dealt with this situation before, they think I'm asking a lot more than I really am. It ought not to be so difficult to arrange a quickie extension at the PSB or to get an L visa for me. Right?

There is no more pushing to be done at the new school, they have made it very clear that they are finished working at the end of today and that I'm on my own to deal with the visa. I've heard the same from more than one school--they all say it shouldn't be a big deal to ask my current school to help me out.

So, sorry, I'm still sighing a bit. If it were just a matter of being pushy, no problem, I'm great at that. You have to be to live here. On my way to harass (politely...sort of) the next in command at my current school right now!
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

get on a cheap flight to thailand and relax in the sun somewhere. the time will pass by quickly and cheaply. look into going to ko tao. at one point in time, i spent a month on that little island diving when i had nothing else to do. very relaxing. and bring a book, or two.
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ayahyaha



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ever-changing Cleric wrote:
get on a cheap flight to thailand and relax in the sun somewhere. the time will pass by quickly and cheaply. look into going to ko tao. at one point in time, i spent a month on that little island diving when i had nothing else to do. very relaxing. and bring a book, or two.


I like that idea too...but how will I get back into the country?
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