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Does my "criminal background" disqualify me?
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Foxkorea



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:29 pm    Post subject: Does my "criminal background" disqualify me? Reply with quote

In 2003, I was detained by the police in California for a misdemeanor battery (basically a loud argument in a pub). All charges were quickly dropped--I wasn't even arrested, merely detained.

Unfortunately, this shows up on my criminal background check, so it looks far worse than it is. The CBC clearly states "no arrest received", but will the Chinese authorities be able to decipher all this. or should I just give up on a job in China?

I'm 46, have an M.Ed. in TESOL and Elem. Ed., and 15 years of teaching experience (if any of those are mitigating factors). Thank to any and alll who respond.
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Halapo



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go apply for a tourist visa. Its pretty cheap, and I bet if they give you one, you can get a Z visa later, then a resident permit.

Only the government is going to check for a criminal record. The school wont. If you can get to the school ( I mean in China ) and they agree to hire you, odds are the switch from tour visa to work visa, to resident permit will never even bother to call the states again.

They will all just trust that if you are here, then that is good.

I can promise this, just my guess on how things work here. Maybe somebody with a criminal background who has a job will be able to back me up.
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rc81



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought Chinese schools just put "clean criminal record" into their job ads. I didnt think they actually check this.

Am I wrong about this?

How can the Chinese go about checking someone criminal record? I didnt think most western government give out this information to just anyone.
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mat chen



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you are a Catholic priest I suggest you stay out of South Korea. There is no check here. Even if there is, you just put your passport in the washing machine and get a new one when here. Americans have gone from the best to the worst in checking people out in the last ten years.
Remember that punishment here is not like America for criminals.
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gregmcd101



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Does my "criminal background" disqualify me? Reply with quote

Foxkorea wrote:
In 2003, I was detained by the police in California for a misdemeanor battery (basically a loud argument in a pub). All charges were quickly dropped--I wasn't even arrested, merely detained.

Unfortunately, this shows up on my criminal background check, so it looks far worse than it is. The CBC clearly states "no arrest received", but will the Chinese authorities be able to decipher all this. or should I just give up on a job in China?

I'm 46, have an M.Ed. in TESOL and Elem. Ed., and 15 years of teaching experience (if any of those are mitigating factors). Thank to any and alll who respond.


it will not. go online, find a job you fancy and apply. this 'record' will not be an issue, trust me
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Foxkorea



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you are a Catholic priest I suggest you stay out of South Korea. There is no check here. Even if there is, you just put your passport in the washing machine and get a new one when here. Americans have gone from the best to the worst in checking people out in the last ten years.
Remember that punishment here is not like America for criminals.


Yeah, I did my time in the Big K, before they changed all the req's. Nothing will show up on a passport check--but my "record" is on the FBI check.
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brsmith15



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew a US lawyer who did some hard time and then got jobs here no sweat.
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hankemhigh



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if any of those are mitigating factors


Mitigation has no affect on regulations but fortunately if there are any, they seem to be ignored.

Quote:
How can the Chinese go about checking someone criminal record?


There are agencies that do this for a small fee. Often high level jobs will check not only criminal records but also credit reports. I was once refused a job due to my credit report showing a government employer.
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MisterButtkins



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ehh, I had a paraphernalia charge on my record. On the visa application form, I wrote it down. Still got my Z-visa, no problems. Was your charge a felony or misdemeanor?
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Dan The Chainsawman



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Protip: Get a criminal record check from the next state over..

They won't list minor crap like dropped charges on it. A person I know of had a dui on their record and got a CBC from a different state and is now working in Gorea.
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Foxkorea



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterButtkins wrote:
Ehh, I had a paraphernalia charge on my record. On the visa application form, I wrote it down. Still got my Z-visa, no problems. Was your charge a felony or misdemeanor?





Misdemeanor battery, dismissed, no arrest filed. Can't get much more minor than that.
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Foxkorea



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan The Chainsawman wrote:
Protip: Get a criminal record check from the next state over..

They won't list minor crap like dropped charges on it. A person I know of had a dui on their record and got a CBC from a different state and is now working in Gorea.




Yeah, I thought about that. But you may need to be a resident of that state. It could still show up because it's an FBI/DOJ level check.
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Renegade_o_Funk



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this just for teaching english? the Chinese are not going to check any of your references or if you have even been convicted of a crime. I have heard inner-Mongolia requires a background check, but just avoid that place.
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landt



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite a few foreign-owned schools will do a criminal record check.


Edit: I mean, they'll ask the applicant to get one done through a foreign agency before they'll process the work permit. My work permit got held up because I was a bit slow getting the CBC done. The school itself won't do it.


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Mister Al



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a matter of the schools doing a criminal record check as they cannot get access to that information. But the school can ask the candidate to obtain a CRC pre-contract. If they don't then on the visa application form it's just a matter of ticking the box 'yes or no' regarding criminal convictions. Tick 'no'
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