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Why not umowa o pracy?

 
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maniak



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Why not umowa o pracy? Reply with quote

I still havent got a clear explaination why schools dont want to hire teachers under a umowa o pracy, even teachers who have been working at a school for a few years and are more than trusted.

I have my own dzialanosc gospodarcza but besides being able to write off a ton of expenses like gas, car repairs, a tv, and restaurant dinners which means I rarely have to pay tax and that I can bill companies, my 300zl monthly ZUS payment period is coming to an end and I dont see any major incentive towards keeping this thing running.

Seriously, all around me I hear of chicks who land a job with an umowa o pracy, show up the first day to work and then suddenly say "whoops Im pregnant!" and then disappear for a year or two on a pretty fat maternal leave, or of dudes who work for a few weeks and then "fall sick" with enough diseases and mental illnesses to keep half the doctors in the world busy. Oh yea and of course all work under the table to make a few extra zlotys.

Or maybe we really are such a bunch of shifty characters that are a huge risk for schools??
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hrvatski



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't want to pay ZUS, and neither does your employer. If you had an umowa o pracę then that's exactly what they'd have to do for you, unless you were a student at a Polish university, in which case I believe ZUS is waived or something to that effect.

I don't think they suspect you of taking advantage of their generousity - they just don't want to be generous in the first place by paying for your (abysmal public) health care or retirement fund (which you will probably never receive).
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dynow



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow, this is all too familiar. i posted a few times about a year ago about this nonsense.

I too have the freelance arrangement and tried to convince my school to hire me differently as well, but they refused. In the end, I get whacked for 800zl a month. No way around it for me, but I gotta say, over the past year I have acquired jobs that I may not have gotten if I hadn't had the freelance arrangement. People simply don't want to deal with the paperwork and love to hear that you can just throw them an invoice and be done with it.
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maniak



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hrvatski wrote:
You don't want to pay ZUS, and neither does your employer. If you had an umowa o pracę then that's exactly what they'd have to do for you, unless you were a student at a Polish university, in which case I believe ZUS is waived or something to that effect.

I don't think they suspect you of taking advantage of their generousity - they just don't want to be generous in the first place by paying for your (abysmal public) health care or retirement fund (which you will probably never receive).


Of course no one wants to pay ZUS, and it is generally unless you find a decent clinic with a NFZ contract. But other businesses hire employees under umowa o pracy without batting an eyelid while schools react as if youd suggested using your own crap to write with on the whiteboard.

Dynow, i know what you mean, but the question still stands. Why dont schools want to hire an employee under an umowa o pracy, especially umowa o prace tymczasowa.

Btw dynow, you ever fall sick yet? Do you know what happens when you cant make it work? Ill tell you, with ZUS youre up shits creek with no paddle.
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hrvatski



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maniak wrote:
hrvatski wrote:
You don't want to pay ZUS, and neither does your employer. If you had an umowa o pracę then that's exactly what they'd have to do for you, unless you were a student at a Polish university, in which case I believe ZUS is waived or something to that effect.

I don't think they suspect you of taking advantage of their generousity - they just don't want to be generous in the first place by paying for your (abysmal public) health care or retirement fund (which you will probably never receive).


Of course no one wants to pay ZUS, and it is generally unless you find a decent clinic with a NFZ contract. But other businesses hire employees under umowa o pracy without batting an eyelid while schools react as if youd suggested using your own crap to write with on the whiteboard.

Dynow, i know what you mean, but the question still stands. Why dont schools want to hire an employee under an umowa o pracy, especially umowa o prace tymczasowa.


I think they don't wanna pay you ZUS for a few reasons:
- They can keep prices low for students in a hyper competitive market, I know all businesses want to keep costs down, but few other business models can get away with demoralising their employees so.
- Working for a language school is a less 'intimate' by nature than working an office job. By that I mean you generally do your own thing and have little contact with other employees bar breaks and sporadic meetings. I think owners thereby feel less attached to their employees and see them as hired contractors (see umowa o dzieło - actually just get one of them and be rid of ZUS).
- You are not needed in the holidays and are therefore relegated to 'sessional work', call upon as the need arises.

I for one am glad to be out of Poland and earning for my retirement, able to keep an eye on my own personal fund along the way.
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