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Somewhere Out There
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 Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:47 am Post subject: Provinces in China that DON'T REQUIRE A DEGREE to get a visa |
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DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND OUT WHICH PROVINCES IN CHINA DON'T REQUIRE A DEGREE TO TEACH?
Has anyone gotten their work visa in the last 6 months to a year and don't have a degree but only college or no post-secondary at all? |
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The Ever-changing Cleric
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:02 am Post subject: |
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i dont know if there's any province that legally hires teachers without a degree. but i do know this: you can find teachers in every province who dont have degrees. it all comes down to the school's needs and if they can get the necessary documents for your Z visa from the local officials (guanxi/connections).
the key is to seek out the schools that'll do this. one place where i worked in the recent past hired a couple of teachers w/o degrees. i met one of them, and it turned out that she was the wife of another teacher who did have a degree (the husband had a Z visa, the wife didn't but she still worked at the school and got the same salary as everyone else).
put your resume together (and anything else needed) and send it off to a bunch of schools. see what kind of replies you get. |
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rogerwallace
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:37 am Post subject: info experience about Z visas |
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Having taught/lived in China for several years, I have learned several things: if one of the married couple gets a z visa , so does the spouse, universities are more strict about z visa and degree, that things are changing to unify all "foreign expert status and the z visa that comes with it! I am going back soon and have just compleated a NEW Evaluation process for the ministry of education, which will serve for many purposes and be kept on file for further reference.
Of course there will still be those schools who do not comply and are in it for the $$$. I for one do not want to go through some ugly deportation by tring to fake it all.
Just a word of advice for ESLers... |
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The Ever-changing Cleric
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:51 am Post subject: Re: info experience about Z visas |
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| rogerwallace wrote: |
| Having taught/lived in China for several years, I have learned several things: if one of the married couple gets a z visa , so does the spouse. |
roger, having been in china so long, there's one other thing you should have learned:
there are no absolutes in china.
the dependant teacher i referred to above didn't have her own Z visa before arriving at the school. she was noted as a dependant on her husbands Z visa paperwork, however that is done.
you might be aware of some cases to the contrary, but in the end, its all anecdotal. and it only serves to confirm one thing that IS true about this country:
there's an "across the board" inconsistency in how things are done here. |
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kukiv
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:03 am Post subject: |
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Roger Wallace wrote;
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| I for one do not want to go through some ugly deportation by tring to fake it all |
I'm always fascinated by these references to ugly deportations - anyone have any direct experience of illegal FT's being bundled out in chains????????
I have the feeling that if caught teaching in a job that's deemed illegal then it's a matter, of being told to give up the work, or at the worst a visa cancellation and a few days to find your way out of China - but even after 6 years of being here my assumptions over what happens are still limited to hearsay!!!!!
I think the major focus point for those without degrees would be the quality of job that's awaiting them if they are able to find an employer who can give 'legal' work  |
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sharpe88
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:10 am Post subject: |
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That's not ugly enough for you ? I don't personally know anyone kicked out but I've had officials come by school checking passports.
But i do have a friend who was kicked out of HK, I have no doubt it happens here too any time officials feel like cracking down.
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Roger Wallace wrote;
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| I for one do not want to go through some ugly deportation by tring to fake it all |
I have the feeling that if caught teaching in a job that's deemed illegal then it's a matter, of being told to give up the work, or at the worst a visa cancellation and a few days to find your way out of China - but even after 6 years of being here my assumptions over what happens are still limited to hearsay!!!!!
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kukiv
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:15 am Post subject: |
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That's not ugly enough for you ? I don't personally know anyone kicked out but I've had officials come by school checking passports.
But i do have a friend who was kicked out of HK, I have no doubt it happens here too any time officials feel like cracking down. |
I'm a quaking in ma boots after reading that post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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The Ever-changing Cleric
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:21 am Post subject: |
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unless you're a major league *&%#&% there's little chance of getting kicked out of china by anyone. in six years here i've never heard or seen any evidence of anyone being treated as such, and i've met some real esl &%$#@# here in that time.
if its ugly witch hunts and quick deportations you're after, then go to korea. they're more commonplace there. |
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kukiv
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Somewhere in Dave's is a report from just before the Olympics - of a police visa raid, during a Saturday evening, on a bar full of FT and other loa wai. If I remember correctly - most of them didn't even have their passports - the result being the terrible punishment of having their names written into a book - and end of story!!!!!!!!
Saying that there are also stories of folk being stopped on the street - and if they are not able to produce their papers - having a slightly more difficult experience - but certainly nothing very ugly.
Personally I don't think we can look on lax enforcement of laws as something that makes life easier - usually it just adds to the complications of living in China!!!!! |
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ttorriel
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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GET BACK actual topic from the poster of this thread.
It is the official policy of the PRC that 4-year degree is required in all provinces.
If you don't meet the requirements, please stop trying to find a way to bypass the law and simply obtain the necessary credentials or go to a country that has even more lax laws than China. |
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thefuzz
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ttorriel wrote: |
GET BACK actual topic from the poster of this thread.
It is the official policy of the PRC that 4-year degree is required in all provinces.
If you don't meet the requirements, please stop trying to find a way to bypass the law and simply obtain the necessary credentials or go to a country that has even more lax laws than China. |
Which country has even more lax laws than China?
I've always thought China was the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the standard of teachers who get jobs here... |
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kukiv
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| If you don't meet the requirements, please stop trying to find a way to bypass the law and simply obtain the necessary credentials or go to a country that has even more lax laws than China. |
The onus on the under-qualified recruit being good-eggs and politely refusing to look for a China job - what a joke.
If the recruiter doesn't care, and nobody seems to be punished for working without correct qualifications - surely the floodgates are open - the result being the employment minefield called China EFL!!!!! |
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General Franco
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| ttorriel wrote: |
GET BACK actual topic from the poster of this thread.
It is the official policy of the PRC that 4-year degree is required in all provinces.
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No, it's not. Many countries don't even have 4 year degrees.
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If you don't meet the requirements, please stop trying to find a way to bypass the law and simply obtain the necessary credentials or go to a country that has even more lax laws than China. |
Advice, please, not moralizing!
The OP can certainly work here legally without a degree, but the policy varies from day to day and city to city. It isn't possible, I'm afraid , to name a province where a degree isn't required. |
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ttorriel
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rogerwallace
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: shaking boots |
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well, those who have not witnessed deportation and the fact that you can't come back again-hey go for it. If you think that China is so "bottom of the barrel", why the hell are you there with their children?
It's third world,get over it. I've seen stupid in the UK,Canada and America-why should China be any different.
Professionalism is part of what is learned by having a 4(not 3 or 2) year degree or higher. |
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