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David Seoul



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:16 am    Post subject: Gulag Reply with quote

What exactly is the Gulag? I mean, I know what the Gulag are. I'm just not sure what it refers to on this board. I just did a search and found lots of references to the Gulag, but I'm still none the wiser as to which place of employment it actually is. QU?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has long been the name that the teachers have used to refer to QP or Qatar Petroleum.

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David Seoul



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, thanks for that VS. Actually, it was your kind advice on the KSA board that bought me snooping onto this one!

Is Qatar petroleum really that bad, or is the term given affectionately?
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wilberforce



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This place has been called the Gulag as long as I've been here. I think the name was given in the 1980s when the Cold War was still on. Maybe they had some Soviet refugees working here. (Just kidding). The grind and monotony of the early years, plus the goings on in the Easter bloc at the time probably earned the Gulag its name. We Gulagers like it. Makes us feel part of the system.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David Seoul wrote:
Is Qatar petroleum really that bad, or is the term given affectionately?

Some like Wilbur seem to be able to tolerate it well enough... others hate it and move on as quickly as they can. It is one place that doesn't require an MA.

Right Wilbur?

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David Seoul



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll check it out, despite the nickname. Thanks again.

Any more hot tips, VS?

A lot of the places that don't require an MA seem to require an English related degree. Mine is business related and my wife has a law degree. Given our situation, that we'll have just completed our MA TESOL at the estimated start of our employment and that we have CELTA + experience, do you think it would be worth applying to these kinds of jobs anyway?

I wonder if in some cases a letter from the University in leiu of the not-yet-attained MA certificate would strengthen our application?

I'd certainly like to hear more about the gulag. I'm intrigued. I'll have another search.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been lots of threads on QP over the years.

Employers tend to be very strict about the MA being officially in your hands before application. Sometimes they even tell people not to bother applying until that time - that is at the places where the MA is a requirement.

I'm not trying to dissuade you from applying to the places requiring the MA, but just warning you of what response you might get.

Have you looked at Oman?

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David Seoul



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on your initial advice, I have been looking at Oman. I'm very interested in it. I'm just trying to gather info at the moment. Anymore pointers would be well recieved.

By the way, thank you so much for your interest in these questions. I really appreciate the positive responses you've given. All too rare on these boards!
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Saudi Board
Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote:
Why the kingdom?


Any advice NCTBA?



David Seoul wrote:
Based on your initial advice, I have been looking at Oman. I'm very interested in it. I'm just trying to gather info at the moment. Anymore pointers would be well recieved.

By the way, thank you so much for your interest in these questions. I really appreciate the positive responses you've given. All too rare on these boards!

David, as you can see, there are many more posters here who can direct you to greener pastures.

Good Luck, young man!




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David Seoul



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to you, too! Very Happy

I only said that positive advice was rare due to experiences I've had on this board in the past.

As I said though, you guys have been really helpful. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.qp.com.qa/qp.nsf/jobs?OpenView


Try Direct Hire

A teacher recently left. The perks for direct hire are much better than contract hire (Griffith) but you are tied down. With contract, you are free to move on.

Primary Purpose Of The Job:
To teach English to nominated trainees / employees.
Assist in the implementation, piloting and feedback of teaching materials developed by the Materials Writing Team.
To assess competence as defined by the course outcome requirements.
Report on trainees� / employees� progress and act as first line counsellor where learners have problems of academic, attendance or personal nature affecting classroom performance and to assist Senior Instructor with appropriate administrative duties.
Monitors daily attendance; maintains a running absence summary and reports to Senior Instructor English on all matters regarding classroom attendance or other administration duties as required.
He enters relevant information on standard databases where required



http://www.qp.com.qa/qp.nsf/7dcfab6f7fc2c83c4325711c00357ffb/ea227440409316164325724100381158?OpenDocument
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wilberforce



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Is Qatar petroleum really that bad, or is the term given affectionately?



Affectionately at times, disparigingly at others. It all depends on what went well or what went wrong.

All in all, not a bad place to work for over 50s, new young teachers, or people who want to hide from the world. Some of us just like the slower pace of life and are willing to put up with the salary. If you want to make more money, you can always do private tutoring. Some people charge 300QR an hour.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some like Wilbur seem to be able to tolerate it well enough... others hate it and move on as quickly as they can. It is one place that doesn't require an MA. Right Wilbur?




Right VS. You either can't stand working at the Gulag or you don't mind and have a life outside of work. We don't have to write exams or materials and don't have busy work or work to take home. You come in, do your teaching, go home. The rest of the day is yours. No committee work or extra duties. Most of the staff are OK types but there are some who tipple too much; those guys are the ones with the problems.

As for credentials, BA, CELTA, B.Ed. etc. all accepted. You don't need an MA which is why most of the people stay on as we are limited in our options. The MA is the big calling card in the region. However, some Gulagers are awaiting news of the new colleges, strictly speaking in the US, not all college instructors are required to have an MA: it depends on what they teach and how much experience they have teaching it. A lot of community colleges bring instructors who have vast work experience to teach in the college. They give a hands on perspective. We have some teachers like that here at the Gulag but they don't teach English.


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David Seoul



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that. I checked it out. What kind of salary range do they offer? What's the accommodation like? Do they like to employ married teaching couples? Is it out in the sticks? Answers to any of these questions would be well recieved!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:28 pm    Post subject: Contract Hire Reply with quote

Griffith University (Australia) is responsible for hiring contract teachers.
Your wife probably could get a job with them. If you sponsor her there are a lot of places she can apply to.
She'd be free to apply anywhere she likes.

Not a good idea to be a teaching couple at the Gulag. Too much stress that you might take home. My wife used to work with me but the stress was too much. She met someone else who was a better provider and left with him.


http://www.griffith.edu.au/griffith-english-language-institute/academic-professional-programs/qatar-petroleum-project
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