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vitamins



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:37 am    Post subject: what should I do? Reply with quote

So right now I am signed on with one of the big chain buxibans. I don't really want to work for them, though. I am trying to find a 6 month gig where I currently am (different country), and if I do I would cancel/tell the chain I'm not coming.

But here's what I'm thinking. I will tell them I'm not coming, I will get my 60 day visa anyway. That way if I don't find something here I still have Taiwan as an option.

I'm wondering what kind of success I might have at finding a job if I'm arriving in the final days of february or even the first days of early march? Since it's right after the big hiring period, will all the jobs be gone? i'd want to be in a big city, Taipei or Kaoshiung, but Taipei county would be ok.

Thoughts and opinions welcome.
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creztor



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget Kaohsiung, stick to Taipei or Taichung and their surrounding areas. I am sure you could find work in Kaohsiung but most of it is up north. You could get a job but it might only be the absolute minimum. There seems to be a lot of kindy work going around also, so you may want to look into that also.
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forest1979



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have signed on with someone already then the ball might not be in your court. Secondly, what morality? What if every one else signed on and then decided to walk out. Sorry, but it's people like you that make life difficult for the honest employees in the TEFL industry. Obviously you're happy to do what you want and not give a stuff for anyone else. Moral of the story: don't sign up for anything unless you're 100% committed, if circumstances change play by the legal rules like the vast majority of people do.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say the OP should try to keep his word, but to what extent he should try to keep his word depends on what the school has already done to show that IT is serious.

Have the two of them signed a contract?

Has the school applied for his work permit, visa, and ARC?

If the answers to the above are "no," he currently owes them NOTHING.

I'm sure that if he quits at the last minute, they will still find a teacher. I mean, come on, it's like a Soviet bread line of teachers in front of those buxiban these days. If he says he isn't coming, they'll just look out front of their building and find someone else in five minutes.

And if they can't do that, OP, you're welcome to forward my information to them as a replacement. I'm looking for a job. Just as long as the "big chain school" isn't Hess.

It all depends on whether you've already signed the contract (20% of the puzzle) and how much of an investment the school has made into employing you (80% of the puzzle).

That said, if you're a newcomer to Taiwan, you'd probably be wise to stick with the big chain buxiban. It has become extremely hard to find ANY job paying more than a minimum survival amount these days. I've sat seven interviews in a row with absolutely no success, and I have CELTA and experience.
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vitamins



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the morality argument being thrown out here. Where I currently work morality never enters the equation.

It is a BIG chain school. There is no shortage of teachers from what I've seen and read. But part of why I asked was to understand the nature of the system.

I'm hoping to be able to tell them a week in advance, if not more.

As for where things stand, I have done all the work. All they've done is send me preformatted emails. I have signed, but they haven't. I don't have a visa yet--- I enter on an extended tourist visa.

I am asking in essence so they are not screwed over, so I know the situation well enough to make 'the right move' for all concerned.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vitamins wrote:
I like the morality argument being thrown out here. Where I currently work morality never enters the equation.

It is a BIG chain school. There is no shortage of teachers from what I've seen and read. But part of why I asked was to understand the nature of the system.

I'm hoping to be able to tell them a week in advance, if not more.

As for where things stand, I have done all the work. All they've done is send me preformatted emails. I have signed, but they haven't. I don't have a visa yet--- I enter on an extended tourist visa.

I am asking in essence so they are not screwed over, so I know the situation well enough to make 'the right move' for all concerned.
Based on your description, your actions will not hurt them in any way. Even if you let them know just three days before, they'll just contact the 19 others teachers who competed for your slot -- one of them will come. You owe them NOTHING as they have invested NOTHING in you -- no visa, no paperwork, no contract that obligates them to do anything. For all you know, you could show up and find out that someone with his suspenders all hiked up else f***ed you out of your job.

For now, you are a free agent. This changes once they lift a finger to reciprocate and apply for your visa, or at least co-sign on that contract.

That said, a job with a major chain is probably the best you can do right now. If you don't believe me, come and see for yourself. Things are REALLY bad here. I don't think you can comprehend the scale of the awful situation until you've sat in seven fruitless, pointless job interviews in a row as I have. And I'm no bum -- I have two years of experience, CELTA, speak four languages (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean in addition to my mother tongue), and have spent three years previously in Hong Kong, which is a very similar country culturally-speaking, and nearly nine years total in Asia. And I can't find A THING. I'm working at an awful hole-in-the-wall illegal school with only 6.5 hours a week, three of which are paid at the paltry rate of 350 NTD an hour. All attempts to find anything better have failed miserably and just cost me money and time.

If you think you can do better, go ahead and try. However, a job with a big chain school is something many of us would go to great trouble and expense to have right now. I know I sure would.
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vitamins



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Rooster.

I really am not trying to screw anyone over. My post was an attempt to figure out how to proceed.

The reason I posted was that the reasons for my going to Taiwan have been up ended. I may have to head back to my home and native land in about 6/7 months and the decision isn't really within my control.

So I'm trying to find a way to keep things manageable and have things works out across the board without damaging anyone's business etc.

My understanding is that I don't even get a 'signed' contract until half way through training.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vitamins wrote:
Thanks Rooster.

I really am not trying to screw anyone over. My post was an attempt to figure out how to proceed.

The reason I posted was that the reasons for my going to Taiwan have been up ended. I may have to head back to my home and native land in about 6/7 months and the decision isn't really within my control.

So I'm trying to find a way to keep things manageable and have things works out across the board without damaging anyone's business etc.

My understanding is that I don't even get a 'signed' contract until half way through training.
Are you going to be working for Hess?

If so, job security there is absolutely nil until you've been there for 1.5 months.

I am living proof of this.
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