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zipper
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creztor
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KHH here and was not a nice way to be woken up I was surprised it was ONLY a 6.4, because it was bloody violent. We are on the 13th floor so it was really shaking. I can't imagine what an 8+ would feel like. I don't even want to think about it... |
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zipper
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dangerousapple
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:07 am Post subject: |
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I picked up my baby daughter and ran outside in my underwear. This one scared me more than 921. I used to think they were kind of fun, but not anymore. |
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zipper
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yamahuh
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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We were lying in bed wide eyed and wondering if it was going to get worse.
With all the death and destruction as a result of quakes lately it's not hard to imagine that 'this could be the one'. We're on the 12th floor and used to think they were kinda cool - now they spook me. |
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zipper
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scarab1169
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Well zipper if what you say is true about the higher floors, I should be sleeping soundly again from tonight. I've been "imagining" the biggie hit here for the past two nights and every time I wake up with a racing heart and disorientation. I was woken on Thursday by the quake. First there was almost a feeling of a big "boom" and then the crazy shaking. I could hear my neighbors' beds, windchimes and various other things being shaken around. I just clung to my bedsheets and "prayed" for everything to be over. I don't want to ever experience a big earthquake, but that one was really too close for comfort.
Here's to hoping we all keep safe and "big disasster" free.  |
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yamahuh
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:18 am Post subject: |
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zipper wrote: |
If I am up on the top floor, then I would just stay put, and crouch down under the door way, and if I am on the first floor, then I would bolt out of the building as fast as I could, |
According to everything I've read crouching down under a doorway gets you killed as the frames collapse and cut you in half. Ever heard of the 'triangle of safety'? - at least that's what I think it's called.
Theory is that you lie down beside a solid object, your bed, the couch or a sturdy coffe table. When the roof collapses or the wall caves in the object prevents the masonry from lying flat and that is where you can find room and safety. Check it out online - it's actually a proven theory.
As for bolting out of the building as fast as possible - can't argue with that ... |
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yamahuh
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps an 'Earthquake Safety' sticky is something the mods would consider. I mean Taiwan is in an incredibly seismically active region. I didn't believe people when they said there are more than 2,000 measurable quakes a year - but it's true. |
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zipper
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yamahuh
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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It seems I spoke too soon.
Just had time to do a bit of research regarding the 'Triangle of Life' that I heard about on CNN during the Haiti quake. What a surprise that CNN is supporting and even promoting a theory that seems to be widely discredited...
Anyways, didn't want to lead you all astray with my previous post but feel free to do your own research as well.
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In recent months an e-mail article has been widely circulated, under the title �The Triangle of Life� written by Doug Copp of ARTI (American Rescue Team International). It has led many people to question or plan to change their response to heavy shaking, and some of the recommendations in the article have even been repeated in media stories as if they were fact.
However, the advice is potentially life-threatening and the author has been broadly discredited.
You can read a partial list of authorities that refute Copp's advice in the text below, or scroll to the bottom of the page for links to some of the agencies and authorities.
Advice is refuted:
Unfortunately, most of the information in the article is false and has been soundly refuted. I have enough professional expertise in this subject matter that I was contracted to provide curriculum on this topic to the Federal Emergency Management Agency personnel in the aftermath of the Northridge CA earthquake of 1994.
But my views are not those of a lone ranger either. The article�s advice has also been soundly refuted by a host of authorities and agencies, including the American Red Cross, the Southern California Earthquake Center, the Earthquake Country Alliance, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the National Disaster Education Coalition, the California Office of Emergency Services, the Structural Engineers Association of California, Oregon Office of Homeland Security, King County (WA) Office of Emergency Management, Torrance Community Response Team, the Center for Disease Control, and many others. Some agencies, such as Cal-OSHA, initially accepted the article as sound, but issued retractions after one of my client�s contacted them, and they did further investigation. Links to some of these sources appear later below.
Some real earthquake safety facts to know:
(The following comments are made in particular for high-magnitude quake situations, and with special concern for those people who may be at or near the epicentral regions when they occur. Seismic forces generally dissipate fairly rapidly with distance. What you have "felt" in past earthquakes, may not be what you experience during the next one, particularly if your location is closer than you have ever been in the past. Also, near the epicentral areas, there is much less time in which to react.)
1) �Drop, cover & hold on� is still the recommended action to take
during the shaking according to all major and credible earthquake
safety authorities.
2) You are more likely to be killed or injured from building contents and imploding glass than from structural collapse. To protect yourself from these hazards,
a) Contents of homes, offices and schools should be braced or secured with proper seismic restraint devices, AND �
b) You must also take protective cover within three seconds or less during an actual earthquake.
3) Getting under a table is not always necessary, but cover should always be used when it is available, if it is available within the three-second rule.
a) Contrary to Copp�s claims that cover will �always� crush the victims, numerous actual post-earthquake studies show clear evidence that cover helps to protect the victims from injury from flying building contents and imploding glass, AND�
b) Cover can provide crucial support in the event of structural collapse. For instance, in one earthquake, one building had student desks that consist of merely a chair with a writing arm, and it was the writing arms of those desks that held up the collapsing story from above.
4) It is better to drop, cover & hold on within three seconds, even if no table is immediately available to get under, than to attempt to get to another �safer� location. The time element is critical.
a) Victims who try to move on their feet during serious shaking are often thrown violently by the seismic forces and can suffer serious injury from being thrown AND�
b) Are at risk for suffering life-threatening injuries from being simultaneously imbedded with glass shards. Actual post-earthquake data show that large and dagger-like shards of glass can travel more than 20 feet, and with enough force to penetrate solid wood. If you are attempting to move on your feet, your entire body is exposed to glass and other objects that can forcefully fly from every direction.
Here are some links to follow for more information, especially about the "Triangle of Life".
http://www.earthquakecountry.info/dropcoverholdon/
http://www.fema.gov/hazards/earthquakes/nehrp/hold.shtm
http://www.earthquakecountry.info/dropcoverholdon/oes-drop-cover-hold.pdf
http://www.seaonc.org/public/media/press_05.html
http://www.disastereducation.org/library/tech_issues/Triangle_of_Life.pdf
http://www.seattleredcross.org/news/articles/Triangle%20of%20Life.htm |
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yamahuh
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:56 am Post subject: |
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zipper wrote: |
The buildings here are supposed to be able to withstand 7.5 and over magnitude earthquake, but I am not sure as to the exact figure, but they do figure it to be some where in that ball park.
Like the article said, You have 3 seconds to find cover or get the heck out! Not much time is you are lying in bed with a hangover. |
Think my hangover would clear pretty quickly when masonry started dropping. As far as the buildings being able to withstand '7.5 and over magnitude quakes' - I'd be more interested in the 'under' number i.e 'Under 8.2 you're fine'
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