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Silverado77



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:24 pm    Post subject: Religious Status on Job Advertisement Reply with quote

Seen this on a Job ad recently. Not an issue with me, but as a matter of interest is it something that crops up much?

Best advice would be to put down atheist, do you think?
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ttorriel



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advertisement or application?
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Silverado77



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was on a Job ad.
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tomstone



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They wanted to know your religion for a job in China? Unbelievable! Weird! Unheard of! Be VERY careful with whom you're dealing !
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ttorriel



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unheard of?

VERY careful?

Why?

Religion is highly open in China nowadays. Just because we don't traditionally ask this question in places like the U.S., why should it be a "VERY careful" issue?

I'm more concerned with many universities in China now hiring their teachers ONLY from pathetic "organizations" like ERRC.
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tomstone



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because every contract that I've seen specifically precludes the hiree from mentioning religion in the classroom. Yes, you are correct, China has freedom of religion; however, freedom of speech (in this case, prosletyzing) is still "curtailed". I personally would be very wary of any job that asked about my beliefs. What's ERRC?
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tomstone



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never mind, I looked up ERRC; wouldn't surprise me if the ad the OP is referring to is from them.
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Jayray



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd pass on that job. If you're heck-bent on taking the job, just respond "non-religious" or "no religious affiliation".
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TexasHighway



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Freedom of religion" is restricted to being herded into government run churches whose pastors have been indoctrinated in Party doctrine in government run "seminaries". Chinese people who attend unauthorized "undergound" churches still face persecution. In the past, the government used to ask for religious affiliation on visa applications. I always just entered "no religious affiliation" because I feel my religion, or lack thereof, is none of their business.
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zootown



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some FT have come to teach in China not only to teach English but also religion.

Some people see China as huge amount of people who need religion in there life's and their just the people to give it to them.

On a side note I was speaking to my friend at a party on the weekend and he was telling me how he went back packing in China in 1986.

When he was in Hong Kong someone asked him could he take some bibles into Guangzhou.

He said why not I am going there what is a couple of bibles going to hurt.

When they brought them to his place there where 200 bibles.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomstone wrote:
Because every contract that I've seen specifically precludes the hiree from mentioning religion in the classroom. Yes, you are correct, China has freedom of religion; however, freedom of speech (in this case, prosletyzing) is still "curtailed".

don't confuse "discussion" (talking about smth) with "proselytizing" (actively trying to convert people).

as for the contracts and what they say regarding religion, the following is standard:

Quote:
Party B shall respect China�s religious policy, and shall not conduct religious activities incompatible with the status of an expert.

that means just what it says. don't proselytize but you can discuss.

a lot of English majors in China have a "culture and customs of the western countries" class. the textbooks used in that class discuss not only history, geography and economics, but also music, religion, sexuality, etc etc. I frequently get asked questions about God and "do you believe in God?" and when I do, we have a short discussion on the topic.

as for the job advert, maybe they're using that info (religious affiliation) to keep people out!
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tomstone



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad you mentioned that, Ever-Changing Cleric, because I've brought this up several times with students whenever I get the "do you believe in god" question. Who's to say how they are going to interpret any discussion of theology, mysticism, whatever? I would think it might be construed as prosletyzing, i.e., "teacher talked about Jesus today". I don't keep them from talking about it if they want to (one student did a book report on the King James Bible), but when I get any specific questions as to my belief system I tell them I can't talk about that. Same thing with questions about government, I'll try to answer any questions about the differences between the US government and whatever they call other governments ("democratic dictatorships", "totalitarianism", etc.), but I always make very sure to stress that I'm not saying that one is better or worse than another, just different. I'm not saying that all foreigners should constantly be walking on eggs, afraid to say anything, but our own opinions are not relevant. That applies to teachers everywhere.
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rogerwallace



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:33 am    Post subject: watch your step Reply with quote

Once in Gansu, there was a kid all juiced up on jesus-he didn't last long after he spouted off(24 hours and out of the country). Yes, so-called christian churches are state run. I did know a gal in Harbin who had been in china for 18 years, who was really there on the christian behalf, but she was very cool/quite about it. Even at home I put NA.
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brsmith15



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put down Druid.
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tomstone



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Droll, brsmith15.
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