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Help for newbie needed - online course

 
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MrsMonkey



Joined: 08 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:32 pm    Post subject: Help for newbie needed - online course Reply with quote

Hi all,
I've recently passed i-to-i's 120-hour online TEFL course package thingy, which I enrolled on because they ensured me it was a valid, worthy qualification that would be useful in Europe.

I'm now trying to find work in Greece, Italy, Prague, Spain and France and constantly being told that it's not a proper qualification. i-to-i aren't being helpful at all � they keep telling me 'plenty' of their students have found schools in Europe that accept their qualification, but they haven't managed to find a single real example for me yet. They're also failing to call or email me back any more.

What can I do? Have I just wasted about �400 on a useless course? Can anyone suggest how or where else I should be looking for employment?
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spiral78



Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Location: On a Short Leash

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm assuming you're from the UK and it is therefore not a problem with an employer being unable to get you a work permit.

I've been in the European region for 12+ years now and can say with a fair degree of certainty that online certs are considered substandard in most of the region by reputable employers.

CELTA is the name brand, but generic courses also make the grade. The key to acceptable courses is supervised teaching practice with actual students. Online certs by definition don't offer this.

The job market at newbie level is fairly competitive in all the areas you mention, and employers simply don't need to consider an applicant (especially from abroad) with a lesser cert than most of their applicants will have.

Consider Prague, as an example. The city's got 5 or 6 training centres, all 120+ hours onsite, including the supervised teaching practice. It's highly unlikely that someone from abroad with an online cert would land anything with a reputable school in this job market.

Another issue to consider is that European employers rarely hire from abroad. They really need to see you standing in their offices, CV in hand, looking professional and reliable before they'll give you a thought. The start-up costs of coming over and getting set up in a city are your own, in this job market.

Sorry, but i-to-i has great advertising....
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MrsMonkey



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, i-to-i certainly wins on the advertising front. Pretty darn substandard on the product description element mind. Am just going through their in-house recruitment system for positions in Prague though so you never know what might come up.

I also intend to fork out for a residential CELTA course now, just wish they'd been straight with me at the consultation stage. Sigh.
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mozzar



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, everyday my academy is interviewing new teachers to see if there are any new ones that stand out as amazing, not because they need to hire someone desperately.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am just going through their in-house recruitment system for positions in Prague though so you never know what might come up.

Yes - maybe something could come up....but - I suggest you read through some of the current posts on the Czech Rep forum (it's just down the list from this one) regarding the current job market there. It's seriously tight all round...I'd be surprised if i-to-i were able to hook you up with anything decent there. I'd be interested to hear how this works out!
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Justin Trullinger



Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have I just wasted about �400 on a useless course?


I'm afraid you may have done, and I'm sorry to hear it. I don't know anything first hand about the course, mind, but it seems to be a theme here on the boards, and it always comes down to what Spiral78, who has a heck of a lot of experience in Europe, is saying:

The onsite courses are considered the minimum. Anything less is considered substandard.

If you travel somewhere, and knock on doors, you may get hired someplace that has just lost a teacher and needs a replacement right away. Problem is, this is only a maybe...

You're not too likely to get hired at distance. There are too many grads of onsite courses all over Europe, and you're not yet set up to compete well with them.

Good luck with this,

Justin
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powerrose



Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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Location: Shenzhen, China

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teach in Asia instead.
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MrsMonkey



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have thought about Asia but I'd only really be interested in Hong Kong - something to look into I guess. That said, I have just been invited to an interview for a position in Thailand.
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