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Umm 'Abdil-Wahhaab
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 Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: Anyone know the answer to this one? couples contracts Q |
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So it seems that the job will sponsor spouse and 2 kids, but what if a married couple gets a job with the same university... can they get 4 kids sponsored? Better yet, 5 kids to make up for the spouse they dont have to sponsor under the other spouse  .
It would seem to me with all the "married couples preferred" that I see, that they would be saving a lot of money by bringing in a married couple. If we're saving them money... can we atleast get some extra kids sponsored? And by sponsored I mean visas, health insurance, plane tickets, education allowance. It only seems fair.
Anyone know the answer to this one? |
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Cleopatra
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| So it seems that the job will sponsor spouse and 2 kids, but what if a married couple gets a job with the same university... can they get 4 kids sponsored? |
Generally speaking, no, it doesn't work that way. But if you're a strong candidate (and employers do like 'teaching couples') you may be able to negotiate something. But I doubt you would be able to get full sponsorship - including education allowance - for four children. That is asking quite a lot.
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| It would seem to me with all the "married couples preferred" that I see, that they would be saving a lot of money by bringing in a married couple. |
Not as much as they're saving by employing people who don't have any children!
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| If we're saving them money... can we atleast get some extra kids sponsored? And by sponsored I mean visas, health insurance, plane tickets, education allowance. It only seems fair. |
If you're demanding all the above for your 'extra kids', I find it hard to see that you'd be saving them very much money at all. |
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Umm 'Abdil-Wahhaab
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| Good point. So do you think it could work if you tried getting a job with two different institutions? |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Good point. So do you think it could work if you tried getting a job with two different institutions? |
Eh? |
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Mia Xanthi
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| Good point. So do you think it could work if you tried getting a job with two different institutions? |
Nope. I've seen people try it. Only one person (usually the husband) gets the basic benefits.
You may well get them to agree to pay for visas and health benefits for all four kids. You will almost certainly NOT get them to pay for four education allowances. Private education has become so expensive that they're cutting back on the amount they offer to educate two kids, so I doubt they would extend the offer to four. And trust me, education for two extra kids will cost you a chunk of money. |
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Umm 'Abdil-Wahhaab
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Alright, back to reality for me. I guess it would be worth a shot to try for visas and health insurance.. maybe even plane tickets. I am really nervous about paying for education. I guess whats nice about working for private schools is that you get a discount for sending your kids to the school you work for, but because we plan on working in a university obviously that wouldnt be a factor.
Wouldnt it be nice if universities had a deal with a private school so the kids of employees could get a discount as part of the education allowance. |
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Arabian Hawk
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Cleopatra
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| Wouldnt it be nice if universities had a deal with a private school so the kids of employees could get a discount as part of the education allowance. |
Lots of things would be nice, umm abdul wahhab, among them for example making an educational allowance available to everyone, not just those who have dependent children, or perhaps allowing longer holidays to childfree teachers to compensate for the extra expense incurred by sponsoring other teachers' children.
Just a thought......  |
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scot47
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Most places are cutting back on educational allowances. In the great days at the National Airline, free education for any number of dependent children was provided. I had one colleague with two wives and 12 dependent children.
Not surprisingly, managemant began to question the costs and reduced it to a maximum of three children.
In my current job the allowance is adequate for ONE child. Some employers pay nothing at all.
The trend is clear. Let those who have eyes see what is coming ! |
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Sheikh N Bake
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Lots of things would be nice, umm abdul wahhab, among them for example making an educational allowance available to everyone, not just those who have dependent children, or perhaps allowing longer holidays to childfree teachers to compensate for the extra expense incurred by sponsoring other teachers' children.
Just a thought...... |
Excellent point. But then we're in a country where the nationals mostly think it's unthinkably bizarre and (wallah, Miss) to some even perverted to be single or not to have 6 or 8 children. Why should we get any special dispensations?
I was thinking if someone is so intent on trying to manipulate the system to accommodate an army of kids and hates paying for their education, I would suggest retreating to a country with free public schools.
I am loathe to tell people how to run their lives. Suffice to say if it were me trying to make the world work around my machinations to avoid educational expenses, I'd think again about producing yet more offspring in the future. |
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Umm 'Abdil-Wahhaab
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Interesting that mostly everyone agrees that educational expenses for private schools in KSA are very costly and education allowances are dropping in alot of places.
This cost multiplied by 2,3,4+ may be a huge financial expense that would make it difficult or even possible to have a career in Saudi and send your kids to a good school.
I fail to see how requesting to get allowances for 4 kids under the contracts of 2 employees (based on the system of 1 employee = 2 kids or 3 dependents) is "hating" to pay educational expenses to the point that they should reconsider having more kids. |
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Cleopatra
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| I was thinking if someone is so intent on trying to manipulate the system to accommodate an army of kids and hates paying for their education, I would suggest retreating to a country with free public schools. |
I was kind of thinking the same thing. We all strive to get the best deals we can from our employers, but there's a point where outright greediness raises its ugly head...
umm abdul wahhab
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This cost multiplied by 2,3,4+ may be a huge financial expense that would make it difficult or even possible to have a career in Saudi and send your kids to a good school. |
In which case follow sheikh and bake's advice above and seek work in a country where you can send your kids to the local schools. It's not the job of Saudi employers to accommodate everyone's lifestyle choices - such as the choice to have several children. |
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Umm 'Abdil-Wahhaab
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True, but I guess you could say that an employer offering an educational allowance to one child would be considered accomodating a lifestyle choice (on the basis that having 0, 1, or 5 child(s) is a lifestyle choice).
I guess I feel that based on the system of 1 employee= support of 2 children then 2 employees (married couple working) should equal the support of 4 children. I feel that it is fair rather than greedy, but as well all know- things dont work like that in the kingdom 
Thanks for your input. |
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| Umm 'Abdil-Wahhaab wrote: |
I guess I feel that based on the system of 1 employee= support of 2 children then 2 employees (married couple working) should equal the support of 4 children. I feel that it is fair rather than greedy, but as well all know- things dont work like that in the kingdom
Thanks for your input. |
Well, in theory, and according to the university regulations (article 31), the university can pay the education fees for up to 4 childrens ( 6 - 17 yrs) but with certain conditons and with a maximum fees of SR30,000 /year for all children!
Why not ask your university about a copy of "university regulations handbook for non-saudis faculty/staff", and check the article (No. 31) concerning children education allowances, I hope it did not change! |
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Umm 'Abdil-Wahhaab
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| Great info, thanks! |
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