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easyasabc
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 179 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:46 am Post subject: eikaiwa?????????? |
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I just saw this on the FAQ section
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6. What is an eikaiwa?
This is the Japanese word for language school or conversation school......... |
and it made me wonder (for the umpteenth time) why some people seem to think that the word "eikaiwa" actually means "conversation school".
"Eikaiwa" just means "English conversation" it does not mean "school". An "Eikaiwa Gakkoo" or Eikawa Gakuin" or something else along those lines would mean "English converation school". |
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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And...? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Strictly speaking, you are right. However, everybody and his brother uses the word eikaiwa to mean the school. Live with it. |
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easyasabc
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 179 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:26 am Post subject: |
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My point is simple. Eikaiwa is NOT the Japanese word for language school or English school so why does the FAQ section say it is? I wondered if people really do think that's what it means.
Glenski wrote: |
However, everybody and his brother uses the word eikaiwa to mean the school. Live with it. |
Yes, strictly speaking I am right. I don't use it and neither do my Japanese friends! Hence "everybody" does not use it. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:35 am Post subject: |
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easyasabc wrote: |
Glenski wrote: |
However, everybody and his brother uses the word eikaiwa to mean the school. Live with it. |
Yes, strictly speaking I am right. I don't use it and neither do my Japanese friends! Hence "everybody" does not use it. |
Your Japanese friends probably also do not use Japanese/foreign words in the middle of an English sentence either, any more than they use English words in a Japanese sentence (when there is a Japanese/katakana equivalent "boku wa library ni ikimasu" ) - they would use "conversation school" in English, or 'eikaiwa gakkou" when speaking Japanese- its a kind of code-switching by mixing Japanese and English.
English does not lend itself easily to abbreviating words relating to places. |
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:03 am Post subject: |
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easy, I'm afraid that what you said about it not being the name Japanese use is simply wrong.
About four years ago, to try to rid our school of the associations that the name eikaiwa lends to our establishment, I tried to lobby for a name change to something like gakuin or gengo gakkou or something more upmarket sounding.
My Japanese owners closed me down pretty quick. They liked the name eikaiwa because they said it communicated directly with the clientele that this was a conversation school. Nowhere in our name does it mention school and yet the word eikaiwa, despite your correct literal rendering of the word above, has the meaning conversation school i.e. a place where you study and learn English no matter how loosely study and learn are defined. When you say eikaiwa, Japanese people think foreign teachers, students, desks, classrooms etc. It therefore means school to Japanese people.
My bosses wanted to keep eikaiwa as the name of our school because of this very meaning.
I'm not sure how being pedantic about what the word means really helps the profession of TESOL in Japan either but I'm hoping that you have a reason for your thread that is valuable to us.
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Canuck2112

Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 239
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:46 am Post subject: Re: eikaiwa?????????? |
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easyasabc wrote: |
"Eikaiwa" just means "English conversation" it does not mean "school". An "Eikaiwa Gakkoo" or Eikawa Gakuin" or something else along those lines would mean "English converation school". |
And.......I personally found this interesting. Thanks for posting it easyasabc |
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:53 am Post subject: |
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I often hear Japanese refer to conversation schools as eikaiwa. |
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Brooks
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1369 Location: Sagamihara
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:39 am Post subject: |
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I sometimes hear people say they go to eigo gakko. |
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