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muttley



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:13 pm    Post subject: Positives about Shenzhen? Reply with quote

I know there is a thread about the negatives about living in Shenzhen, but can any China-forum posters, especially those folks currently living & working in SZ, shed light on any positives or their experiences about SZ?

Has the cost of living diminished over the past year and is renting an apartment become or less expensive?
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powerrose



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Shekou right now part-time (I work fairly far away and have the option to stay at my work during the week). I think it's great!

A bit before this I was a JET in the ultimate boonies, so I have a very guilty pleasure in all the Western comforts here, from Dunkin Donuts to good Italian, to Wal-mart and Ikea. Yes, I'm a sellout, but whatever..... Cool

I have heard that Shenzhen is really dirty compared to the rest of China, and I hope that's true, because it's pretty grungy here. But, I don't really notice it anymore, so it's not too bad.

It's not authentic China by any means, but life here can be really, really comfortable. It's expensive compared to China, but I came from New York, so it's like paradise to me. HK is right there, and Macau. The expats here are skewed to more the professional/wealthy/older/family types.

Anyway, PM me if you have specific questions....
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powerrose



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I forgot to answer your apartment question:
I've heard that the cost is going down. The amount of apartments being built here is insane and to some degree, its finally caught up to itself. I know a lot of people who have places for around 2,000, or sharing a 4,000 place. I think you can go much lower too, depending on your comfort level....

The utilities are wicked high, like 400 rmb per month at my place. Food is very cheap if you eat a wide range of delicious Chinese. Taxis start at 10RMB. I can do groceries for around 100RMB for the week....
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something positive about Shenzhen...let me see...close to Hong Kong so you can get the hell outta here double-quick.

Really, there is nothing to like about this place.

100 RMB for groceries for the week? What do you eat?

And, yeah, Shenzhen is still mighty expensive...but so is Shanghai and Beijing so that's really not a negative, although I find that job wise and salary wise Shanghai and Beijing have more to offer.

Oh, yeah, and it's dirty. Really dirty.

And the lack of culture of any kind.
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muttley



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: SZ Reply with quote

Thanks for your feedback guys.

I didn't realise it was a "really dirty" city? That's a new one to me

How about the folks? They're not as "stuck up" as Shanghaiese I've been told. What's your experience with the "locals"? I realise they are from all corners of China.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: SZ Reply with quote

muttley wrote:
I didn't realise it was a "really dirty" city? That's a new one to me


It has been said before...not new info I'm afraid. Even my mom-in-law who comes from a really small Chinese town says that compared to BJ and SH Shenzhen is quite a dirty place.

The people? From all parts of China so you have the good with the bad.

And really, stop stereotyping about the Shanghainese...they are proud people...wouldn't you be if you lived in the best city in the PRC?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Positives about Shenzhen? Reply with quote

muttley wrote:
I know there is a thread about the negatives about living in Shenzhen, but can any China-forum posters, especially those folks currently living & working in SZ, shed light on any positives or their experiences about SZ?

Has the cost of living diminished over the past year and is renting an apartment become or less expensive?


Well, you really can't classify a city as good or bad. You can't hold Chinese cities to western standards, because China is not the west, it is China. You'd have to give us insights into what qualities you like and dislike about a city, and then maybe we could tell you whether the characteristics of Shenzhen match up with those. As far as the people, I don't see how you can make a generalization, really. Shenzhen is fully if millions of people, and each and every one of them has a distinct personality, thoughts, dreams and traits. So, it just depends on the person.

Hope that helps.
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muttley



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:55 pm    Post subject: SZ Reply with quote

Whoa there! Fair point about about stereotypying Shanghai - certainly not what I intended. Point is I've been offered a position in SZ and not in SH but would certainly consider doing so should an opportunity arise.

Similarly, I understand Zero's comment about generalisations.

Really, I'm just getting some sense of Shenhzen from those in the know.

Thanks powerrose for your balanced opinion.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Positives about Shenzhen? Reply with quote

powerrose wrote:
I have heard that Shenzhen is really dirty compared to the rest of China, and I hope that's true, because it's pretty grungy here. But, I don't really notice it anymore, so it's not too bad.

i have to ask, have you been to other cities in china? if you have, there'll be no doubt in your mind that shenzhen is pretty clean compared to many of those cities. the only really clean cities (meaning, nice fresh air, wide open streets, less trash laying around etc) i've seen in china are in places like xinjiang or western sichuan. and that's because those places are so remote or at such high altitudes, they couldnt be anything but clean.

muttley wrote:
I know there is a thread about the negatives about living in Shenzhen, but can any China-forum posters, especially those folks currently living & working in SZ, shed light on any positives or their experiences about SZ?

there are plenty of threads about shenzhen on this forum. are you sure you read the entirety of all threads? because every time someone comes on here and says the place sucks for everything, others will point out the positives. use the search function on this website, search for "shenzhen" and only in the off topic forum (might be one or two in job-related as well) and you'll get all the info you need.

but to sum up briefly the positives of shenzhen for you:

1. its cleaner than most chinese cities.
2. its close to hong kong.
3. wide variety of food available.
4. good transportation network.
5. good earning potential.
6. if you're a foreign male, lots of women around.

all cities have positives and negatives. obviously for anyone living in shenzhen the positives outweigh the negatives, or they wouldnt be living there. TheFuzz, are you still in SZ or have you now moved on as you said you were in another thread?

here muttley. i'll save you the time. read these:

Seeking a Great City in China

Shenzhen

Shenzhen

Best City in China Poll

Shenzhen v. Guangzhou

thefuzz wrote:
And really, stop stereotyping about the Shanghainese...they are proud people...wouldn't you be if you lived in the best city in the PRC?

wow Exclamation is this the same guy who said the following about one of my posts on another shenzhen thread Question Question

thefuzz wrote:
Anyway, the above post is insightful (there are always people who either love or hate a place and it's good to see both sides)...you should really try getting a job working for the Shenzhen city propaganda department and help make the city a more harmonious place for everyone...local and foreigner alike! If I knew nothing of Shenzhen and read you post I'd think it could be the greatest city on the planet...like NYC or LA or Tokyo.




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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:40 am    Post subject: Re: Positives about Shenzhen? Reply with quote

The Ever-changing Cleric wrote:
powerrose wrote:
I have heard that Shenzhen is really dirty compared to the rest of China, and I hope that's true, because it's pretty grungy here. But, I don't really notice it anymore, so it's not too bad.

i have to ask, have you been to other cities in china? if you have, there'll be no doubt in your mind that shenzhen is pretty clean compared to many of those cities. the only really clean cities (meaning, nice fresh air, wide open streets, less trash laying around etc) i've seen in china are in places like xinjiang or western sichuan. and that's because those places are so remote or at such high altitudes, they couldnt be anything but clean.

muttley wrote:
I know there is a thread about the negatives about living in Shenzhen, but can any China-forum posters, especially those folks currently living & working in SZ, shed light on any positives or their experiences about SZ?

there are plenty of threads about shenzhen on this forum. are you sure you read the entirety of all threads? because every time someone comes on here and says the place sucks for everything, others will point out the positives. use the search function on this website, search for "shenzhen" and only in the off topic forum (might be one or two in job-related as well) and you'll get all the info you need.

but to sum up briefly the positives of shenzhen for you:

1. its cleaner than most chinese cities.
2. its close to hong kong.
3. wide variety of food available.
4. good transportation network.
5. good earning potential.
6. if you're a foreign male, lots of women around.

all cities have positives and negatives. obviously for anyone living in shenzhen the positives outweigh the negatives, or they wouldnt be living there. TheFuzz, are you still in SZ or have you now moved on as you said you were in another thread?

here muttley. i'll save you the time. read these:

Seeking a Great City in China

Shenzhen

Shenzhen

Best City in China Poll

Shenzhen v. Guangzhou

thefuzz wrote:
And really, stop stereotyping about the Shanghainese...they are proud people...wouldn't you be if you lived in the best city in the PRC?

wow Exclamation is this the same guy who said the following about one of my posts on another shenzhen thread Question Question

thefuzz wrote:
Anyway, the above post is insightful (there are always people who either love or hate a place and it's good to see both sides)...you should really try getting a job working for the Shenzhen city propaganda department and help make the city a more harmonious place for everyone...local and foreigner alike! If I knew nothing of Shenzhen and read you post I'd think it could be the greatest city on the planet...like NYC or LA or Tokyo.




Laughing


Now...now...now...since you take it upon yourself to spread propaganda on the joys of living and working in Shenzhen, I thought to myself why not do a similar service for Shanghai? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: Positives about Shenzhen? Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
muttley wrote:
I know there is a thread about the negatives about living in Shenzhen, but can any China-forum posters, especially those folks currently living & working in SZ, shed light on any positives or their experiences about SZ?

Has the cost of living diminished over the past year and is renting an apartment become or less expensive?


Well, you really can't classify a city as good or bad. You can't hold Chinese cities to western standards, because China is not the west, it is China. You'd have to give us insights into what qualities you like and dislike about a city, and then maybe we could tell you whether the characteristics of Shenzhen match up with those. As far as the people, I don't see how you can make a generalization, really. Shenzhen is fully if millions of people, and each and every one of them has a distinct personality, thoughts, dreams and traits. So, it just depends on the person.

Hope that helps.


you didnt even come close to answering any of the questions. how could that be considered helpful?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Positives about Shenzhen? Reply with quote

muttley wrote:

Has the cost of living diminished over the past year and is renting an apartment become or less [sic] expensive?


The answers are of course "no" and "more" (assuming you meant to write "more or less expensive").
I wonder what made you think it might have got less expensive? You are aware that China is undergoing one of the biggest property bubbles in history?
Take a gander:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-state-of-chinas-real-estate-market-in-60-seconds-2010-3#national-property-prices-are-still-on-the-rise-bubble-anyone-1

The first of the 11 graphs tells the story very clearly. The data is national but Shenzhen's disconnect with reality has been one of the most egregious.


I can only guess you were put off by that 2008 "financial crisis" thing. Not relevant here! if the government says it will be 8% growth, then it's 8% growth, mostly stimulus money funnelled through party apparatchiks - and it all goes into "investment" in unnecessary high priced apartments that noone actually lives in ...

If you want to get scared about what's going on here, do a Google for Jim Chanos and read and listen to what he says about China. Smart guy.

Others to follow on China include Andy Xie, Michael Pettis, although of course everyone and their wife have an opinion.
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