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living&learning



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:25 am    Post subject: Foreigner-friendly countries/cities? Reply with quote

This may be a similar question posed in a recent thread, but I'm curious: worldwide, which do you think are the most foreigner-friendly countries and cities, for living and working?

Some of the criteria would be:
1. Friendly, helpful locals
2. User-friendly public facilities (eg: English signage)
3. Not too overbearing officials
4. Ease of obtaining legal work status

I'm currently in Mainland China, have been for nearly five years, previous to that I was in Taiwan. I also lived in the UK and Israel.

I'm a South African citizen.

Getting a work visa for all these countries was relatively simple, Taiwan was the most difficult. Getting one for the UK is now also tricky. China was simple. Taiwan offered the best healthcare.

In all countries thus far, the officials and/or police let you be, provided you behave yourself, and keep out of mischief.

I'd have to say Israelis were the warmest, most hospitable people, contrary to what the media may portray them as - hard working, solid people.

The Taiwanese and Chinese are focused on the ching ching and family, but if you get to know them they are generally good people, but I still feel a big cultural divide exists. I also feel there are Chinese who would rather not have foreign barbarians in their land.

England was a melting pot, so you meet good, bad, beautiful and nasty. I was there 12 years ago, but I've heard it getting pretty rough there now - lots of xenophobia and street thuggery.

I've also lived/visited Thailand for about six months on and off. Initially I thought the Thais were the warmest people on earth, but after a while I got the feeling that behind the smile is a muzzled disdain for 'farang' (foreigners). I've seen them beating each other, and foreigners, violently on a few occasions. I think it's a holiday destination, and if you pay up and behave yourself then it's just fine. I wouldn't want to work there.

So, I'm thinking about a year or so more in China, and then possibly finishing up and heading off to the next destination. My gut feel is thar South Americans are a warm bunch, good people, good food, diversity. I was thinking Chile or Argentina or Mexico.

Where would you suggest? Where have you been that you find to your liking? I'm keen to get a fresh perspective..
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tomstone



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think trying to put people in a nutshell is a mistake. People are people everywhere. Jerks, candidates for sainthood, and all points in between. I've encountered very little bigotry anywhere in the world I've ever been; probably the worst place for that would be the good old USA (and I'm a WASP, so it's not me on the receiving end).
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomstone wrote:
I think trying to put people in a nutshell is a mistake. People are people everywhere. Jerks, candidates for sainthood, and all points in between. I've encountered very little bigotry anywhere in the world I've ever been; probably the worst place for that would be the good old USA (and I'm a WASP, so it's not me on the receiving end).



I agree with everything said here, although I would give China the number 1 spot for bigotry/prejudice/racism from my own personal experience. China is the only place I've lived where I actually felt intimidated and uncomfortable walking on the streets. This was in Zhuhai, which by all accounts is one of China's most 'Westernised' cities, being a special economic zone, and having a fair amount of exposure to foreigners via Macau on it's border and Hong Kong across the water.

I regularly had people saying nasty things to me as I walked by, shouting things at me from afar, laughing at me, giving me malevolent stares, looking like they wanted to hit me. Security guards seemed to have a problem with me, they would often say shit as I walked past, or I would smile at them and they would laugh derisively at me. My girlfriend at the time often felt the unspoken judgement of those others around her at being with a white man. I also heard people calling me the racist names in Chinese fairly often.

According to a co-worker who had been all over China, to some of the most remote parts, Zhuhai was one of the better places to be a foreigner on the streets. In other cities people would shout things at you as a matter of course, with much more frequency.

I met some great people in China, mostly co-workers and students, and I'm glad I went, as the experience helped me grow as a person, but on the whole from the 4 countries I've lived in (China, Korea, Thailand and Turkey) China is the place I would definitely NEVER go back to work in!

So to the OP: If you can handle living in China, in my opinion almost any other country will seem 'friendly' to you, and I can't see you having any trouble adapting to any culture if you can deal with the Chinese Very Happy How about Korea or Japan?
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And you might like a year or so in western Turkey, if you want friendly and warm then you dont get much better than the Turks.
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AjarnIam



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To even attempt try to answer this question would mean a considerable degree of generalizing. How can you possibly take a country of 1.3 billion people and ask for such a general perception? Amazing.... Rolling Eyes
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TwinCentre



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read the OP's criteria, and honestly, I'd say Malaysia!
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idiggs



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After hearing both sides, I do agree with both of you to certain extent.

All countries do have jerks, nice people, and morons but some countries do have higher tendencies of racial prejudices than others.

For instance, an African should not set foot in Russia if he expects to leave that country healthy or better yet....ALIVE!

There are a lot of sections in Mexico that have a strong prejudice against white people. Some white Americans go to Mexico for vacation and end up missing and never seen again.

USA news has reported quite often about American kidnappings in Mexico.

I don't believe there is a perfect place but there are some places (depending on your race) you should stay away from.


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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan.

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fat_chris
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Sadebugo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AjarnIam wrote:
To even attempt try to answer this question would mean a considerable degree of generalizing. How can you possibly take a country of 1.3 billion people and ask for such a general perception? Amazing.... Rolling Eyes


If you can't generalize, then you can't give an assessment/opinion about anything. Taken to the extreme, I couldn't say that all tornados are bad. After all, some don't do any damage at all and stay in the plains. NOT being able to offer an opinion based on a general assessment is what we should be rolling our eyes about. Eliminating words and trying to restrict ideas based on the fear imposed by the PC crowd would cause Orwell to roll over in his grave.

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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear idiggs,

"here are a lot of sections in Mexico that have a strong prejudice for white people. Some white Americans go to Mexico for vacation and end up missing and never seen again."

From the context, I suspect you mean "a strong prejudice against white people," unless, of course, those white people who end up missing have been transported to Nirvana. Very Happy

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John
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idiggs



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear idiggs,

"here are a lot of sections in Mexico that have a strong prejudice for white people. Some white Americans go to Mexico for vacation and end up missing and never seen again."

From the context, I suspect you mean "a strong prejudice against white people," unless, of course, those white people who end up missing have been transported to Nirvana. Very Happy

Regards,
John


lol...thanks...I edited it. Smile
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natsume



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

idiggs wrote:
Some white Americans go to Mexico for vacation and end up missing and never seen again.

USA news has reported quite often about American kidnappings in Mexico.



This reminded me of some sage advice received from a friend of my mother's, "you really have to be careful in those Mexican countries".

(This, despite my, at the time, already extensive travel experience in Mexico, which she knew about.)
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
of course, those white people who end up missing have been transported to Nirvana. Very Happy


Kurt Cobain was transported to Nirvana.

Cool

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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear fat_hcris,


In Kurt's case, perhaps the active voice would be more suitable.

Regards,

John
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear fat_chris,

In Kurt's case, perhaps the active voice would be more suitable.

Regards,

John


John,

A ha! Agreed: the most accurate sentence may use the active voice with a reflexive pronoun:

"Kurt Cobain transported himself to Nirvana."

Best,
fat_chris
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