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monnymite
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 Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject: Would you take this job.....?? |
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Hi just wondering who would take this job, it's a decent school.. good offer many other English teachers there.
It's Kinders, Mon to Fri 8-5 with a 2.5 hour break in the middle of the day for lunch...
Classes are 30 minutes a pop. all adds to 35 working hours per week.
Weekends off , big city location.. accomodation inclusive with a salary of 10,000 a month.. after a few months possible rise to 11,000 a month based on performance.
I think it is quite decent... anyone agree?? |
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LarssonCrew
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Where? 10,000 in Xian will make you live like a king, I suspect in Shanghai not so much.
Also, teaching kinder-gardeners is tiring, tiring work. |
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monnymite
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| LarssonCrew wrote: |
Where? 10,000 in Xian will make you live like a king, I suspect in Shanghai not so much.
Also, teaching kinder-gardeners is tiring, tiring work. |
Guangzhou it's close to .. It's got potential or good savings me thinks. |
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monnymite
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| LarssonCrew wrote: |
Where? 10,000 in Xian will make you live like a king, I suspect in Shanghai not so much.
Also, teaching kinder-gardeners is tiring, tiring work. |
Oh and you have at least one other chinese teacher with you to help... still tiring possibly |
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LarssonCrew
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| That's 6 1/2 hours on 5 consecutive days. I teach 2 45 minute classes to kinder kids and I'm exhausted...good luck! |
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monnymite
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| LarssonCrew wrote: |
| That's 6 1/2 hours on 5 consecutive days. I teach 2 45 minute classes to kinder kids and I'm exhausted...good luck! |
are you on your own? or got other teaching help.. ?? I think its 1.5 hours teaching and 1.5 playtime for the kids.. that make much difference? |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:19 am Post subject: |
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IMHO, too many hours for too little pay and such a hard job. You can command 200-300 RMB easily in Beijing at the moment teaching adults one-on-one.
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monnymite
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
IMHO, too many hours for too little pay and such a hard job. You can command 200-300 RMB easily in Beijing at the moment teaching adults one-on-one.
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but how can you get these jobs?? I saw that it was a decent offer/location and a 35 hour week... I'm getting a bit exasperated with it all.. will someone tell me what a decent offer is!!?? |
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nickpellatt
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Its the hours that are the killer. This is only my opinion, so disregard it as you see fit, but far more important that the salary, is the work you have to do to get the money.
10,000 is a nice monthly salary for sure. Im pretty certain lots of people on the board are earning less. The downside on this job offer (IMHO) is that you would be working with what is arguably the most challenging group (kindy) and working far more than average hours to earn said salary.
I would guess most people would prefer a job teaching conversational English to motivated adults for around 12 hours a week. That is closer to what I do infact. My salary is considerably lower than the 10,000 a month, but my workload is far less, my free time greater, my stress levels lower, and my job satisfaction higher. Ive finished my 90 minutes of work today...and now Im free to do whatever I wish. For most people in China, this lifestyle is preferred methinks. Consider the hourly rate, and the work you have to do in that hour rather than think only of the overall wage. |
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kukiv
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| Its the hours that are the killer. |
Totally agree - especially if all of those hours are contact hours.
But rather than ask us why haven't you questioned those FT's that are already working at the place? Find out how they cope with 35 hours.
One of the prime ways of attempting to gauge the honesty and quality of employer must be by finding out how readily they'll give contact info on the other FT's working at the school - any stalling on that issue and the first red light should be blinking!!!!!! |
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monnymite
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| kukiv wrote: |
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| Its the hours that are the killer. |
Totally agree - especially if all of those hours are contact hours.
But rather than ask us why haven't you questioned those FT's that are already working at the place? Find out how they cope with 35 hours.
One of the prime ways of attempting to gauge the honesty and quality of employer must be by finding out how readily they'll give contact info on the other FT's working at the school - any stalling on that issue and the first red light should be blinking!!!!!! |
Well yeah, I have asked actually, the teacher there hasn't really said a lot about if it's too much work and stressed out. You get a 3 hour break midday.. it can't be that bad surely? 8-1130.. 3 hour break 230 to 5 to finish the day..... seems reasonable, said you get treated well and get requested holidays pretty much no problem.. unpaid though. |
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monnymite
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| nickpellatt wrote: |
Its the hours that are the killer. This is only my opinion, so disregard it as you see fit, but far more important that the salary, is the work you have to do to get the money.
10,000 is a nice monthly salary for sure. Im pretty certain lots of people on the board are earning less. The downside on this job offer (IMHO) is that you would be working with what is arguably the most challenging group (kindy) and working far more than average hours to earn said salary.
I would guess most people would prefer a job teaching conversational English to motivated adults for around 12 hours a week. That is closer to what I do infact. My salary is considerably lower than the 10,000 a month, but my workload is far less, my free time greater, my stress levels lower, and my job satisfaction higher. Ive finished my 90 minutes of work today...and now Im free to do whatever I wish. For most people in China, this lifestyle is preferred methinks. Consider the hourly rate, and the work you have to do in that hour rather than think only of the overall wage. |
I do see what you mean about teaching adults...... god its a tough decision.. one the one hand it's a good offer, on the other it is Kinder and longer hours from what i have seen. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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RonHex
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:11 am Post subject: |
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how many kids in a class? how many co-teachers? do the co-teacher(s) speak English? with kinders is really depends on u. some ppl will find it horrible and last 1 or 2 days, others will find it fun and rewarding. IMO kinders pay well for for a reason! 10000 is good but u could get at least a couple grand more.
what about the apt? flight bonus? holiday pay? summer pay? ect? |
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monnymite
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| RonHex wrote: |
how many kids in a class? how many co-teachers? do the co-teacher(s) speak English? with kinders is really depends on u. some ppl will find it horrible and last 1 or 2 days, others will find it fun and rewarding. IMO kinders pay well for for a reason! 10000 is good but u could get at least a couple grand more.
what about the apt? flight bonus? holiday pay? summer pay? ect? |
you get 1,000 for apartment, but going with someone else so that's 2,000 a month which is ok for a decent apartment. You get all national holidays paid... 5,000 flight payment... But as you say 10000 is good pay but cos of a reason! Kinders... more than 15 kinders in a class. which is looking a bit like hardwork.. you get a teaching assistant not sure if speaking ENglish.. |
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nickpellatt
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Its the contracted hours that would put me off, I quite fancy trying kindy work in honesty. I wouldnt want to work full days though. I can do that working in EFL back in the UK, and part of the attraction here in China is I can work a maximum of 3 hours a day and earn more than enough to enjoy a fairly good standard of living.
A 35 hour working week is fairly huge for teaching IMO. I do intend moving to another country, probably in the EU, for my next job, and even the places that are classed as 'slave drivers' tend to only contract you to work 22-25 hours a week. 35 is massive....and for that, I would want a massive salary package...not just a good one. 3 hours lunch break is pretty standard in China by the way.
10,000/151 contract hours per month=66 RMB per hour. Not a great hourly rate, not the worst either...bottom line for me really is I wouldnt want to work so many contracted hours ... not in China where there are 101 things I want to do in my free time. China also doesnt really offer so much in terms of professional development (most jobs anyway) so there has to be something else to make it attractive. For me, that happens to be few working hours. |
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