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My "Anything Can Happen" revisited post

 
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eclectic



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:31 pm    Post subject: My "Anything Can Happen" revisited post Reply with quote

IN a strange and potentially horrifying development this week, which also illustrates succinctly just what I meant in my New Topic of a a few weeeks ago titled "Anything Can Happen", the Turkish PM Tayyip Erdogan has made a public statement to Turkish media as well as to the BBC, that Turkey will "deport immediately all 100,000 Armenians living and working in Turkey", which is clearly in retaliation for the US COngress voting to pass the Armenian Genocide Bill.

THis is precisely the kind of "anything can happen" I was referring to, yet I was only responded to with disbelief and insults. It could be any kind of sudden, unexpected social upheaval/development or geopolitically-motivated thing, like this thing here.

To make it more relevant to my own personal situation, I am an Armenian-American whose ancestors fled Sivas and Bursa in 1909 and 1915 respectively.

It is an horrific thing for Erdogan to treat this utterly sensitive topic with such statements about deporting immediately all 100,000 Armenians from Turkey. What do Armenians in Turkey have to do with the US COngress moving nearer to passing the Armenian Genocide Bill?

As teachers of EFL, we all have to keep on the lookout for any kind of potential dangers, and this is a perfectly-timed example. We are alll or mostly all living as mere guests in our host countries, living from year to year or even tourist visa to tourist visa, without many legal rights for the most part.

We should stick together in some type of support group internationally, by country or region, in case of this kind or even worse developments. IN these times, neo-survivalism is a growing necessity.


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kazazt



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you read what he really said he did not say immediately and it was just posturing. The illegals have been there for years and are going nowhere. Who would want to be in your tefler group and if you are on a tourist visa then you have no right to work. People on tourist visas and working for years are stupid or desperate or both.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are lying. Erdoğan did not say: Turkey will "deport immediately all 100,000 Armenians living and working in Turkey in retaliation for the US COngress voting to pass the Armenian Genocide Bill".
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eclectic



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Who would want to be in your tefler group and if you are on a tourist visa then you have no right to work. People on tourist visas and working for years are stupid or desperate or both.


Well I dont know who would want to be in it, but time would tell. ANd its true enough 4 sure, working on anything but work visas is poor judgement to say the least.

But I wasnt talking merely about getting deported for working illegally. Im suggesting that support groups/contacts etc. for us would be beneficial in many instances if and when (I say "when", as this thing shows) geopolitics creates uprisings, revolutions, deportations, even wars, yes,--wars!

As for as Billy Orr saying Im lying, well, Im NOT:

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ANKARA, March 17 (Reuters) - Turkey's prime minister has threatened to expel thousands of illegal Armenian immigrants after U.S. and Swedish lawmakers passed votes branding World War One-era killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks as genocide.

Muslim Turkey, a NATO member and candidate to join the European Union, recalled its ambassadors to Washington and Stockholm earlier this month after the non-binding votes.

Asked about the votes in an interview with the BBC Turkish service that was broadcast late on Tuesday, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said: "If necessary, I may have to tell these 100,000 (illegal Armenian immigrants)to go back to their country because they are not my citizens. I don't have to keep them in my country." [ID:nLDE62507G


Billy, dont be pedantic. Its true I should have end-quoted BEFORE the "in retaliation for.....". But its quite "in retaliation for", isn't it? Obviously.....
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fishmb



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your post was pretty misleading. First of all your quote was not a direct quote, just sensational paraphrasing, but you still used quotation marks. You made it sound like every Armenian in Turkey (citizen or no) was going to be forcibly removed.

Erdogans comments were stupid, but he already tried to awkwardly back-peddle. It seems like some Turkish politicians have condemned the remarks too. It seems very unlikely anything is going to happen. It goes on to say that he is only speaking about illegal immigrants - he puts the number at 100,000 but other sources but the number as less than 60,000.

Of course his comments are unconscionable, but it's not like illegal immigrants have right in countries where they illegally reside.
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eclectic



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You made it sound like every Armenian in Turkey (citizen or no) was going to be forcibly removed.



I agree it was misleading and a smidgeon sensational. I also agree illegal workers are illegal and should be deported in ANY case.

But that wasn't the gist of my OP. It was that a support network would serve people these days, esp. people working in a foreign country with little recourse or who cannot speak the language well, in cases of emergencies. This Erdogan comment was an example of how things can spring up overnight practically in an ugly way as well.

That was the purpose of the OP.
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TeachEnglish



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lesson to be learned here.. be careful what you post because these people will pick it apart as they look for any reason to make trouble or stir up crap. Whether it is an idiot calling someone a liar, when maybe saying the post was exaggerated would have been better, or another knucklehead that wants to insult people by saying they are stupid. Just learn from this situation because many people reading and commenting are just negative miserable troublemakers.

Back to the original post. Don't worry about the prime minister, he is just angry and using a scare tactic. If people are here illegally, and he knows about them, then why are they still here?
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PC Parrot



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TeachEnglish wrote:
Whether it is an idiot calling someone a liar or ... or another knucklehead that wants to insult people by saying they are stupid


Some posters are so keen to throw insults, they end up calling themselves names!
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eclectic



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some posters are so keen to throw insults, they end up calling themselves names!


That's quite witty, PC. However I think he was referring to people other than himself.

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be careful what you post because these people will pick it apart as they look for any reason to make trouble or stir up crap. Whether it is an idiot calling someone a liar, when maybe saying the post was exaggerated would have been better, or another knucklehead that wants to insult people by saying they are stupid. Just learn from this situation because many people reading and commenting are just negative miserable troublemakers.



Thats absolutely correct, and their constant negative, insulting behavior is about to get them banned permanently from this forum.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Locked due to insults & O/T postings. Some members on the Turkey forum are incredibly close to being permanently banned along with their iSPs.
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