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Jerkstores
Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:57 am Post subject: ESL Certs |
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I was recently contacted by ECC for an interview in Toronto and, since I currently have no teaching credentials, I decided to look for some good online ESL certs. Would the 40 hour course offered at the site below be recognized by Japan-based companies such as ECC? Would this course benefit me in case I went to Korea?
https://www.teflonline.com/form/step1.php |
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AjarnIam
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 95 Location: Thailand
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:18 am Post subject: |
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If you can afford it, skip the online TEFL and do CELTA. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Repost this in the Japan forum. You'll get this reply.
Most Japanese employers don't even care about their newbies having certification. Market here is tight, so if you plan to do this long-term, go ahead and get what you can. The better cert, the better chance at a good job. ECC is just entry level conversation school stuff. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Eikaiwa often don't require TESL certificates because they want you to just do their paint by the numbers format.
That said, that short certificate would likely not be accepted by most employers because it really isn't much at all. You would learn more just by going to a university library for an hour, or even just doing a google search for teaching ESL or EFL.
Generally, the 120 hour could be considered standard (if it had an actual practicum, teaching real students- but it doesn't), but it's an on-line initial qualification, so the jobs that require TESOL certs would probably dismiss it out of hand... because it's an on-line initial certificate.
I agree that the CELTA may be a good way to go, but its expensive and not really useful in Toronto. Keep in mind that not all that many people will have heard of a 'CELTA' in Japan, and those who have, likely won't know a whole lot about it. You could do CELTA or another quick initial newbie certificate and then do a masters degree in TESOL by distance if you decided that you want to teach ESOL for a career. |
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Jerkstores
Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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OK, so you all seem to think this cert is worthless. CELTA is impractical for me, but I'd still like to get something so that I at least feel a little bit more comfortable even if it isn't something that would look nice on the resume. |
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AjarnIam
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 95 Location: Thailand
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Jerkstores wrote: |
OK, so you all seem to think this cert is worthless. CELTA is impractical for me, but I'd still like to get something so that I at least feel a little bit more comfortable even if it isn't something that would look nice on the resume. |
Do you have any TEFL volunteering opportunities? I live in Thailand and I used to teach some basic English to the Buddhist monks on Saturday mornings. I really enjoyed it and if i was a millionaire, I'd probably still be there. The monks were fantastic and so focused on learning...no mobile phones ringing in those classes...Anyway, that experience looks brilliant on my resume for jobs in Thailand. |
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caffe
Joined: 12 Mar 2010 Posts: 6
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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:18 am Post subject: |
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I hear truly both ends of the stick, that a cert is absolutely necessary, even if you are mother tongue English and with local citizenship to bypass all visas, all the way to the mentioning that a cert can be "useless" in certain areas if key conditions are present. Such as high demand, who you know, your persona, and things like that. Guess it all really depends huh.  |
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tttompatz

Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Posts: 1951 Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:41 am Post subject: |
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Jerkstores wrote: |
OK, so you all seem to think this cert is worthless. CELTA is impractical for me, but I'd still like to get something so that I at least feel a little bit more comfortable even if it isn't something that would look nice on the resume. |
The 40 and 60 hour certs will help you (a bit) when you are dropped in front of a class with no clue what to do but they won't get you anything in terms of pay or benefits.
IF you actually want to gain something AND have it recognized then you need at least 100 hours of in class instruction AND a practicum (usually 20 hours) with observation and feedback. These will take you about a month to complete (as compared to a couple weekends) or on-line for a few days.
It is assumed that you already have your degree.
If you don't have a degree, then take your 40 hour course, get a "working holiday" visa (so you don't need a sponsor) and hit the ground running.
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:52 am Post subject: |
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caffe wrote: |
I hear truly both ends of the stick, that a cert is absolutely necessary, even if you are mother tongue English and with local citizenship to bypass all visas, all the way to the mentioning that a cert can be "useless" in certain areas if key conditions are present. Such as high demand, who you know, your persona, and things like that. Guess it all really depends huh.  |
Figure that a well-known cert like CELTA will be recognized by employers who care. If those are the majority of employers where you are looking for work, it's a no-brainer. Get it.
If it doesn't matter what cert is needed, then you have to make a tough decision: get a good one, or get anything just to make yourself feel better with a modicum of training. (To me it's still a no-brainer, but the choice is still yours, and there may be other factors here that we don't know.) |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:18 am Post subject: Re: ESL Certs |
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Jerkstores wrote: |
I was recently contacted by ECC for an interview in Toronto and, since I currently have no teaching credentials, I decided to look for some good online ESL certs. Would the 40 hour course offered at the site below be recognized by Japan-based companies such as ECC? Would this course benefit me in case I went to Korea?
https://www.teflonline.com/form/step1.php |
If you are set on doing an online course, there is one that is approved by TESL Canada. It's run by a group in Toronto (which also has an on-site Trinity course, though the online course is not Trinity despite having the same instructors; you would do the 20-hour on-site supervised teaching practicum in Toronto.
Go to www.ontesol.ca.
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Jerkstores wrote: |
OK, so you all seem to think this cert is worthless. CELTA is impractical for me, but I'd still like to get something so that I at least feel a little bit more comfortable even if it isn't something that would look nice on the resume. |
Some people have this snobbish notion that if it isn't one of the brand name courses (CELTA, Trinity, SIT) then it isn't a valid course. HOWEVER, there is a certain minimum standard in the industry, i.e. at least 100-120 course hours with at least six hours of supervised teaching practice with real ESL/EFL students. If the course doesn't provide at least that then don't bother.
TESL Canada has a whole list of courses that it approves of and that would be a good place to look. (I mention that because the original poster mentioned Toronto).
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
caffe wrote: |
I hear truly both ends of the stick, that a cert is absolutely necessary, even if you are mother tongue English and with local citizenship to bypass all visas, all the way to the mentioning that a cert can be "useless" in certain areas if key conditions are present. Such as high demand, who you know, your persona, and things like that. Guess it all really depends huh.  |
Figure that a well-known cert like CELTA will be recognized by employers who care. If those are the majority of employers where you are looking for work, it's a no-brainer. Get it.
If it doesn't matter what cert is needed, then you have to make a tough decision: get a good one, or get anything just to make yourself feel better with a modicum of training. (To me it's still a no-brainer, but the choice is still yours, and there may be other factors here that we don't know.) |
Yeah, why bother to go to a government-accredited state university when it's Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, and Yale that are the well-known universities. |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, why bother to go to a government-accredited state university when it's Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, and Yale that are the well-known universities. |
This university comparison is getting boring.
Many US and UK universities besides Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, and Yale offer quality educational programs with qualified instructors which, while perhaps not famous, offer you the student real learning. THese improve your job prospects while they're at it. We've got accrediting bodies that see to it that accredited universities are meeting certain standards, or else they don't get to be universities anymore.
TEFL/TESOL/EFL/ESL teaching certificates are largely unregulated. Unlike universities, there are a LOT of these around that offer no particular learning, no improved job prospects. They just offer to take a few of your hard earned $$$s, and print you a cert.
The comparison doesn't hold water. Sorry.
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Justin Trullinger wrote: |
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Yeah, why bother to go to a government-accredited state university when it's Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, and Yale that are the well-known universities. |
This university comparison is getting boring.
Many US and UK universities besides Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, and Yale offer quality educational programs with qualified instructors which, while perhaps not famous, offer you the student real learning. THese improve your job prospects while they're at it. We've got accrediting bodies that see to it that accredited universities are meeting certain standards, or else they don't get to be universities anymore.
TEFL/TESOL/EFL/ESL teaching certificates are largely unregulated. Unlike universities, there are a LOT of these around that offer no particular learning, no improved job prospects. They just offer to take a few of your hard earned $$$s, and print you a cert.
The comparison doesn't hold water. Sorry.
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Justin |
The comparison is entirely valid. While TEFL courses are largely unregulated, there are some accrediting bodies out there that do accredit TEFL courses. So, if the particular accrediting body is a valid body, i.e. it is well qualified to evaluate TEFL courses, applies rigorous standards, periodically re-evaluates the course, etc., then one can have some reasonable faith in the quality of a particular course. In the same way, if a college/university is accredited by a competent body (like the regional accrediting bodies in the United States that accredit the government universities and many private institutions, such as Harvard and Yale), then one can have some reasonable faith in the quality of the education you'll get there. So, yeah, I think it's important to look at not merely what the course contains but who accredits the course and what the accrediting process was. That being the case, I don't think you should be so quick to dismiss a course (as some members here automatically do) just because it isn't CELTA, Trinity or SIT. Maybe if employers started looking at who accredits a course instead of whether they've ever heard of the course, we might begin to see a bit more standardization in the field. |
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