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Put downs like: Low pay= poor teachers. Why?
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sharter



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Put downs like: Low pay= poor teachers. Why? Reply with quote

The Saudi forum seems to have a bitchy edge that is quite unique. A lot of the threads get reduced to name calling matches and patronizing tiffs.
One put down you see over and over again is that people in badly paid jobs somehow are poor teachers and deserving of the hell they often find themselves in. This assumption is quite wrong. Another attitude is the 'I've got an MA, so I'm good' idea as if that piece of paper alone cancels out anything else that might make you a bad teacher. Again, a false assumption. Then there are those who resort to that last bastion of pettiness, correcting typos.

Why is it that the Saudi forum seems to stir up so many gripes? Lack of a life, repressed sexual urges, no autonomy in the work place, horrible colleagues, taking the 10 steps to sobriety, less than ideal students, awful employers, the discrimination, dreadful holiday allowances.........?

For what it's worth,BAe is about the only truly worthwhile job I've seen there and most qualifications are wasted on such students in such institutions and environments.

I'm alright Jack but tonnes of people aren't.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 Steps ? It was 12 when I last looked ! What brought about this salvo ?

As for BAe I will say nothing lest I rile The Wingco, Group Captain or Flight Sergeant !

Has the poster been in KSA ? Has he experienced this strange place ?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO... What you see on the boards is a reflection of what you will find in the faculty rooms of the Gulf. You can take that as you wish... Laughing

VS
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dearest sharter...better now?

NCTBA

(scot: sharter thought that the first two steps were: "An' a one an' a two" Laughing ... Shocked ... Laughing
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Cuffs



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lack of a life, repressed sexual urges, no autonomy in the work place, horrible colleagues, taking the 10 steps to sobriety, less than ideal students, awful employers, the discrimination, dreadful holiday allowances.........?


If those aren't put-downs, I don't know what are...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Cuffs,

But, but . . . that's my life HERE in the good old USA. Very Happy (except I don't get ANY holiday allowances.)

Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:47 am    Post subject: BAe Reply with quote

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For what it's worth,BAe is about the only truly worthwhile job I've seen


They don't call it the "golden cage" for nothing. Luxurious lifsyle but yer'll need it after suffering day after day in the ring with your young "cadets"at the BAs Early Learning Center.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:09 am    Post subject: Erm Reply with quote

I did over 3 years in the Gulf. So far I've done 4 in Libya. The students are so much better here and the money is quite good; not QP direct hire, but I save more now. BAe lets you buy a UK house in 5 years...no other place allows you to do that. KSA... I did the Bahrain flit.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Erm Reply with quote

sharter wrote:
The students are so much better here...
Then quit teaching them to misuse "UNIQUE" quite so much, bitchy. Or at least seem to.

Kidding aside, another framing of the OP:
Does pay=performance, does professionalism=skills ?

Degrees represent an audited endeavor-- a peerage. Their only value to reality is what can be demonstrated, not asserted.

Like knowing karate, an open hand.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you sell your soul for a house ? The worship if MAMMON is a dangerous road to take !
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Erm Reply with quote

lazycomputerkids wrote:

Like knowing karate, an open hand.


Nice try. Not to be picky, but "kara" is "empty". Jes' like "Karaoke", or the more pedestrian "Carry-Oki"..."Empty Orchestra"...

NCTBA
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Another attitude is the 'I've got an MA, so I'm good' idea as if that piece of paper alone cancels out anything else that might make you a bad teacher. Again, a false assumption


Can you name some posters who have made this assumption? Because I honestly don't see this attitude on the board. I think you may be confusing it with posters drawing attention to a common attitude held by Saudi employers (not by the teachers themselves): Namely, that in order to be a 'good teacher' and hence get a decent job at one of the better-paying Saudi universities, you have to have an MA. The fact of the matter is that in the minds of many Saudi employers 'that piece of paper alone' does 'cancel out anything else that might make you a bad teacher.' But don't shoot the messenger.

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Why is it that the Saudi forum seems to stir up so many gripes?


The same reason some of the East European forums stir up so much puerile misogyny, maybe?
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your Majesty !

Your loyal subject is somewhat perplexed that you should even THINK of visiting those far off places ! Things are posted there that are not fit to be seen by your royal eyes.
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lazycomputerkids



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Erm Reply with quote

Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote:
Not to be picky,
I would say accurate, not picky.

Karate, empty hand.

"Nice try." Is that the salt from your wounds? O dear...
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Her Majesty is a big girl. There's not much on the Poland or Russia forums that could shock her. Give her a giggle perhaps but shock? I think not.
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