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geomood
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 Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject: Education Experts |
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| Does anyone currently working for EE in KSA have any experiences that they would like to share. I've taken an offer. TIA |
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scot47
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| EE ? Who are they ? Never heard of them. |
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Linguist
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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I am guessing that 'EXPERTS' here stands for backpackers of a particular skin tone who are here to perform lousy work, enjoy themselves at embassy and other compound parties, and suck the money ! |
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omerta777
Joined: 06 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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"EE" is Education Experts of EDEX. Theyve been hired by univerisites and the government to recruite teachers to various KSA locations. EDEX in turn hired a recruiting agency called Skyline global Solutions to bring the teachers over here. As Ive told someone else on here, becareful fo your credentials. I know for a fact that a unviersity in Qassim has fired 10 teachers due to their qualifications not being sufficient enough.
Becareful of what kind of visa you come over here on. I was brought over on a govt visa in which I was promised health insurance, transportation, etc. A govt visa means you have no privileges, such as a bank acct so you cant send money home. medical is reimbursed, and youre not allowed to traveled outside the country without an Iqama or work visa or unless your boss can pull some strings. The only way to get all those benefits that I have mentioned is to come on a work visa. So all the teachers and I at the najran location are kind of suffering because we want to send money home and have to get reimbursed for medical. Our govt visa expires after 3 months so were hoping they send us home to our original destintation departure so they can give us a work visa. Anything else just ask |
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freesoul
Joined: 09 Mar 2009
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Location: Waiting for my next destination
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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EdEx is just another recruiter in KSA. They started in Riyadh and now they opened a new branch in Jeddah. They also provide English classes in their centres.
Now the thing about recruiters is that they are all the same. They are just out there for the commission money. They are only needed when some universities don�t directly hire the expected number of teachers, so they resort to recruiters such as EdEX. This means you could always be a direct hire rather than be employed by a recruiter with less pay and dodgy contracts.
Try to contact universities directly. They always post their vacancies first, and then they seek recruiters� help.
In Short, don�t go to KSA through recruiters. |
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Kalima Shahada
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Posts: 198
Location: I live in a house, but my home is in the stable.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| omerta777 wrote: |
"EE" is Education Experts of EDEX. Theyve been hired by univerisites and the government to recruite teachers to various KSA locations. EDEX in turn hired a recruiting agency called Skyline global Solutions to bring the teachers over here. As Ive told someone else on here, becareful fo your credentials. I know for a fact that a unviersity in Qassim has fired 10 teachers due to their qualifications not being sufficient enough.
Becareful of what kind of visa you come over here on. I was brought over on a govt visa in which I was promised health insurance, transportation, etc. A govt visa means you have no privileges, such as a bank acct so you cant send money home. medical is reimbursed, and youre not allowed to traveled outside the country without an Iqama or work visa or unless your boss can pull some strings. The only way to get all those benefits that I have mentioned is to come on a work visa. So all the teachers and I at the najran location are kind of suffering because we want to send money home and have to get reimbursed for medical. Our govt visa expires after 3 months so were hoping they send us home to our original destintation departure so they can give us a work visa. Anything else just ask |
We all make minor mistakes as teachers, but my goodness.  I couldn't stand reading this post, so I took it upon myself to edit it as follows:
"EE" is Education Experts, otherwise known as EDEX. They've been contracted by universities and the government to recruit teachers for various Saudi locations. EDEX then hired a recruiting agency called Skyline Global Solutions [and ISM] to bring the teachers over here.
As I've told someone else on here, be careful of your credentials. I know for a fact that a university in Qassim has fired 10 teachers due to their qualifications not being sufficient.
Be careful of what kind of visa you come over here on. I was brought over on a government visa and I was promised health insurance, transportation, etc. A government visa means you have no privileges such as a bank account, so you can't send money home. Medical is reimbursed! Furthermore, you're not allowed to travel outside the country without an Iqama unless your boss can pull some strings. The only way to get all those benefits that I have mentioned is to come on a work visa.
All the teachers at the Najran location are suffering because we want to send money home and we have to get reimbursed for our medical expenses. Our government visa expires after 3 months and we are hoping they send us home to our original departure locations and give us work visas. Anything else, just ask.
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VS, please feel free to jump in at any time with your expert proofreading skills just incase I made mistakes or overlooked anything.
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Now, to address the content, omerta777 should have looked into these issues before he/she ever considered the offer. You guys are lucky to get paid anything. Technically, they don't have to pay you a single cent and there's nothing you can do about it other than pack your bags and take your own flight home. Take a look at the people recruited from MK Trading! Those teachers didn't get paid anything until 2-3 months after they landed!
If you are on a work visa (without an Iqama), you can't leave the country without an exit visa! It can take employers up to three months to get around to getting your Iqama. Plenty of teachers get cheated on their contracts in the meantime. There's really not much of anything you can do about it either. At least with a government visa, you can leave! On a work visa, you flat out can't; I don't care what your reason is (i.e. your mother just died), the admin. doesn't care! By the time you get your exit visa (IF you get one), your mother will already be in the ground. Administrators don't have a reputation for sympathy in the KSA. Sorry, but that's a fact. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| "A work visa" ? Don't you mean a "business visa" ? Anyway, whatever the terminology,the moreal is that if you are cominng to work in KSA make sure it is legit - with an Iqama. |
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Stephen Jones
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| If you are on a work visa (without an Iqama), you can't leave the country without an exit visa! It can take employers up to three months to get around to getting your Iqama. |
It should take less than a fortnight. If the medical goes quickly it can be done in a week. If they're telling you three months they're cheating you.
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Plenty of teachers get cheated on their contracts in the meantime. There's really not much of anything you can do about it either |
I know of no cases of this happening, and the employer is legally obliged to pay you from the minute you arrive in the Kingdom.
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| Take a look at the people recruited from MK Trading! Those teachers didn't get paid anything until 2-3 months after they landed! |
The UOH paid M-Trading two months in arrears. M-Trading was supposed to foot the loan, as is its legal obligation, but apparently didn't. I believe most got paid the correct amounts in the end. |
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Kalima Shahada
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Posts: 198
Location: I live in a house, but my home is in the stable.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| "A work visa" ? Don't you mean a "business visa" ? Anyway, whatever the terminology,the moreal is that if you are cominng to work in KSA make sure it is legit - with an Iqama. |
I mean a work visa. I came over on a legitimate work visa and I'll never ever do it again. Why? Because that employer (a university) always took up to three months to process the Iqamas and they cheated us left right and center on everything (overtime, transportation, accommodations, reimbusements, etc.) The working conditions were such that we didn't even have water in the toilets so they backed up with feces for a week without a single janitor or trash bin in sight. Well, that gives you some idea about the place. When you find yourself in a situation like this, you can't get out without an exit visa. You can beg all you want and it will do you no good whatsoever! Complaints will fall on deaf ears.
If I had come over on a business visa or a government visa, I believe I could have got on a plane and left instead of having to put up with it. It's about the freedom to leave when you want. After my experience, I don't believe in contracts or promises anymore. As far as I'm concerned, in Saudi (and most other countries as well), they only serve to protect the employer. We as foreigners cannot access their legal system. Even if we could, the chances of the system working to our benefit are slim at best. |
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With Malice Toward None
Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Quote Kalima Shahida: VS, please feel free to jump in at any time with your expert proofreading skills just incase I made mistakes or overlooked anything.
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Physician, heal thyself! 'Accommodations' doesn't sound very nice even if you call a unit of housing as accommodation in the noun sense, ok, we will let it pass, what do you have to say about 'reimbusement'? |
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Kalima Shahada
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Posts: 198
Location: I live in a house, but my home is in the stable.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| With Malice Toward None wrote: |
Quote Kalima Shahida: VS, please feel free to jump in at any time with your expert proofreading skills just incase I made mistakes or overlooked anything.
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Physician, heal thyself! |
Yep, doctors get sick just as teachers make mistakes. Thanks for reminding me about my typos.
BTW, if you want to quote, you can use the "Quote" feature when you edit your post. |
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With Malice Toward None
Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: Thanks. |
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Kalima,
No offence, please. Yes, I'm just getting used to Dave's. Regards. |
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omerta777
Joined: 06 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Kalima,
I didnt know there was anything wrong with my typing skills??????? you should chill out a bit. Sounds like your holding a huge grudge against KSA.
My accomodations so far have been great. Im living in a hotel and have been since I arrive almost 4 weeks ago.
There are a lot of things that I couldnt have known before I came here even if I thoroughly researched it.
I think your wrong to say that every employer is out for themselves. I had a great experience in South Korea for a year and came home with some decent money. Im having a decent experience in Najran also. |
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geomood
Joined: 19 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject: Visa Conversion |
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| Do you or do you not have to leave the country to convert your temporary visa, of whatever kind, to a legitimate work visa? |
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Kalima Shahada
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Posts: 198
Location: I live in a house, but my home is in the stable.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Kalima,
I didnt know there was anything wrong with my typing skills??????? |
Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem too! I didn't say anything about your 'typing skills.' Looks like you've got much bigger problems than that. You could start with learning more about punctuation and move on to much bigger challenges such as syntax, teacher.
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| you should chill out a bit. Sounds like your holding a huge grudge against KSA. |
You are new to this board and obviously you haven't bothered to read my posts very well. I've actually been quite a supporter of Saudi. I've said that I like the country. We can separate the country from the employer.
They are not one in the same!
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| My accomodations so far have been great. Im living in a hotel and have been since I arrive almost 4 weeks ago. |
Living in a hotel for 4 weeks is 'great.' Okay, whatever you say. To each his own.
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| I think your wrong to say that every employer is out for themselves. |
Who said that? I didn't. I think you took what I said way out of context here. |
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