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real2104
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 Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:58 am Post subject: Finding work ... without a degree? |
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Hello all,
I worked in Fuzhou on a 1 year contract/working visa in 2008, I've now come back to China and am finding EVERY teaching position advertised is requiring a degree,
I'm currently completing my degree in psychology, but still have 3 years left.
What is the best way at getting a work/visa job for someone in my situation?
ps. I'm 22/Australian with a TESOL cert. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Jobs that do not require a degree are disappearing, mate. There are some, but those are few and far between.
It goes according to provincial law, etc. some are tighter than others, some actually accept TESOL + experience, and some require a Master's.
I'd suggest EF as a good starting point. Try EF in Changchun, Dongying, or even Dalian.
They have advertisements on this very website. Worth checking out. |
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real2104
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:03 am Post subject: |
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Thanks mate. 
I have the skills/experience + a good referee from my last school... it's a bit disappointing I require a degree to get the visa. =( |
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The Ever-changing Cleric
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| nick, instead of wasting your time on low paying china esl jobs, why not start a degree now? even part time is better than nothing. it'll more than pay for itself over the next 50 years of your life. |
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real2104
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Ever changing... did you even read my post?
"I'm currently completing my DEGREE in psychology, but still have 3 years left. " |
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The Ever-changing Cleric
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| guess i didnt see that part . . well i'm awake now. |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| nick2124 wrote: |
Ever changing... did you even read my post?
"I'm currently completing my DEGREE in psychology, but still have 3 years left. " |
completing your degree??? It only takes 3 years to do a degree - 4 for an honors degree ... you mean you are starting your degree??
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80daze
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Then again he could be doing his degree part time or by distance - hence anywhere from 4-6 years.
There are still some places that take people without degrees - best bet is just to apply and hope they need a warm body fast! |
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MisterButtkins
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Most of the foreign teachers I've met in China don't have degrees. I don't think it will be a problem. I'm personally negotiating right now with two schools that, according to their websites, require a degree, TEFL, and two years of experience. I have a degree and 1 year of experience. The point being that, just because the job ads say that they want people with degrees, doesn't necessarily mean that they only hire people with degrees. |
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ttorriel
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| Please obtain a proper education before being "entrusted" as a teacher. You cannot be a teacher in your home country without an education, so why should you think it is okay to come to China to do so? |
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Qaaolchoura
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| ttorriel wrote: |
| Please obtain a proper education before being "entrusted" as a teacher. You cannot be a teacher in your home country without an education, so why should you think it is okay to come to China to do so? |
Because you're teaching the English language, not nuclear physics. If you've taken a TESOL course, you know basics of teaching. He's already taught before any rate. The quality of language instruction depends more on the teacher's understanding of how the language works and how to teach it than any formal degree. I've had such a mixed experience with language classes that I wouldn't take any class that wouldn't let me observe a few for free. My worst ever language instructor had a Doctorate in Arabic Literature.
A Baccalaureate indicates that you have the patience and wherewithal to stick out 4 years of college (in some schools, mine included, it's effectively impossible to graduate in less than 4 years, and literally against school policy to take less than 3 1/2).
Oh, and on a slightly unrelated note, regarding qualifications: Teaching certificates (for public schools) in Massachusetts are a joke. I know this quite well, and I've heard New York is even worse. |
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theincredibleegg
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| ttorriel wrote: |
| Please obtain a proper education before being "entrusted" as a teacher. You cannot be a teacher in your home country without an education, so why should you think it is okay to come to China to do so? |
Well, then 95% of teachers in Chinese education should be fired as none of them have educations that would make them teachers in America.
As for BA:s. One of the most solid teachers i worked with had no BA. |
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ttorriel
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| theincredibleegg wrote: |
| Well, then 95% of teachers in Chinese education should be fired as none of them have educations that would make them teachers in America. |
Quite my point !
And where exactly did you grab this 95% statistic? |
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