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Gusss



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:40 am    Post subject: Visa question Reply with quote

If you arrive in Thailand on a tourist visa (as we have) is it possible to get the the non immigrant visa from within Thailand WITH the backing of a Thai employer (seeing as visa runs are now limited to 4 in most places) ? If not do any of the surrounding countries (Laos,Malaysia,Cambodia,Vietnam) have a more flexible approach to people who wish to work in their countries as English teachers ?
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mickeyrex



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need at least 21 days left on your Tourist visa in order to transfer to a non-B in-country.
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Gusss



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently you can but its so complicated noone likes to do it. Also remember in Vientienne Laos you can apply for a sixty day touriost visa which is free and is valid for one reentry (so 120 days in total).
A decent company will reimburse your visa run and it can be a little adventure - I suggest Vientiene by train - get the low bunk sleeper train.

Unfortunately they make it hard for us because of all the fake teachers, blaggers , people with false qualifications and people who just run off......
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PattyFlipper



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.. double post

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PattyFlipper



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gusss wrote:

Unfortunately they make it hard for us because of all the fake teachers, blaggers , people with false qualifications and people who just run off......


It isn't just TEFLers who have problems with the Byzantine Thai immigration maze; not by a long shot, and it is only partly related to the dregs of humanity which wash up on Thai shores. Ask anyone on a retirement visa or the Thai-born Burmese about the fiery hoops they have to jump through. The xenophobic Thais are uncomfortable with the idea of any foreigner, particularly Westerners, becoming too comfortably ensconced on sacred Thai soil. This sentiment goes back centuries (early European traders were forbidden from settling on dry land and basically had to live on board their ships) and is not about to change this side of Armageddon.
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Gusss



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PattyFlipper wrote:
Gusss wrote:

Unfortunately they make it hard for us because of all the fake teachers, blaggers , people with false qualifications and people who just run off......


It isn't just TEFLers who have problems with the Byzantine Thai immigration maze; not by a long shot, and it is only partly related to the dregs of humanity which wash up on Thai shores. Ask anyone on a retirement visa or the Thai-born Burmese about the fiery hoops they have to jump through. The xenophobic Thais are uncomfortable with the idea of any foreigner, particularly Westerners, becoming too comfortably ensconced on sacred Thai soil. This sentiment goes back centuries (early European traders were forbidden from settling on dry land and basically had to live on board their ships) and is not about to change this side of Armageddon.


I guess also they are the only Asian country that wasnt colonised and they want to keep it that way. But then again - if they want good English teachers - they are going to have to compromise a bit - its not like the moneys that good here.
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PattyFlipper



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "never colonized" hype is a moot point. Basically, they were allowed to remain as a buffer between French controlled Indochina and British controlled Burma and Malaya. This was an agreement between the colonial powers at the time upon which the wishes of Siam had little influence. They did lose whole swathes of territory to both Malaya and Indochina, not to mention that the Japanese were invited to occupy the country virtually unopposed during World War II. And which ethnicity do you think is disproportionately represented in both owning and running the country and its businesses and institutions? Hint: it isn't the indigenous Thai, but a certain people to the north whose nationality begins with a C and ends with an E. Colonialism by stealth.

As to wanting 'good English teachers', I don't think they would recognize one if he or she jumped up and bit them in the derri�re. They are certainly never going to offer decent salary and benefit packages, nor relax the inane immigration regulations, in order to get them. They are, after all, extending you an enormous privilige by allowing you to remain in their wonderful country. Som num nah.
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NigerianWhisper



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gusss wrote:
Apparently you can but its so complicated noone likes to do it. Also remember in Vientienne Laos you can apply for a sixty day touriost visa which is free and is valid for one reentry (so 120 days in total).
A decent company will reimburse your visa run and it can be a little adventure - I suggest Vientiene by train - get the low bunk sleeper train.

Unfortunately they make it hard for us because of all the fake teachers, blaggers , people with false qualifications and people who just run off......


A single-entry tourist visa allowing a stay of 60 days can only be extended for a max of 30 days at the local immigration office. Total of 90 days, not 120.
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MaiPenRai



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You need at least 21 days left on your Tourist visa in order to transfer to a non-B in-country.


It is my understanding that the 21 day rule is no longer being enforced (as of about March/April 2009). That being said, it all really depends on which Imm officer you get that day, what their mood is, what you are wearing, the temperature, how much you smile, how hungry they are, etc, etc. In other words, when it comes to Visas in Thailand, you never REALLY know what will happen.

In any case, a proper employer should be able to get a Non-Imm B Visa in country sorted for you. The problem is that there are few proper employers especially in the ESL/EFL industry. It often depends on what connections the school/employer has within Bangkok Imm. Most will send you to Laos or Malysia to get a Non-Imm B.

As far as the Tourist Visas go, isnt't 30 days the max. *Double entry tourist Visa giving you 30 days, leave country and re-enter for 30 more. Both entries being extendable in Bangkok for up to 30 days. Been a while since Ive dealt with tourist visas so I could be wrong.

And yes, the "we've never been colonized" hype is just that.... hype. And as long as young "tourists" keep arriving in Thailand, the wages/benefits will stay on the low side.
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NigerianWhisper



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="MaiPenRai"]
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As far as the Tourist Visas go, isnt't 30 days the max. *Double entry tourist Visa giving you 30 days, leave country and re-enter for 30 more. Both entries being extendable in Bangkok for up to 30 days. Been a while since Ive dealt with tourist visas so I could be wrong.

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Yes. You are wrong.

A tourist visa is valid for 60 days. A double-entry tourist visa is valid for 60 days each but can be used twice. Hence 120 days.

In any event, each entry is extendable in-country by 30 days max.

It is therefore possible to have a double-entry tourist visa that will give you 180 days in Thailand in total.
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Cubism



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:27 am    Post subject: Pls clarify a bit Reply with quote

So I should buy a double entry tourist visa before I come to Th'land, and NOT get a free one at the airport?

Thanks.
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Cubism



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:33 am    Post subject: And... Reply with quote

This means a non-working person can stay in Thailand each yearno more than the tourist visa can be extended? (E.g., you can get a 6 mo or even a 10 yr visa in India; Nepal is 120 days +- per year, etc.)

I am deliberating various life-changes and finishing up a book. Thailand's easier than most places for internet and writing. Despite the ethnocentrism, Thailand's OK for awhile and I'd like to spend a few months there. Thanks again.
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Cubism



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:35 am    Post subject: Bit hard to be clear today... Reply with quote

I.e., no more visa runs to Mai Sai, month after month after month? You just get 120-180 days a year, period? Thank you.
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NigerianWhisper



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I think you misunderstand.

The 'double-entry' tourist visa is just that........two entries.

Each single tourist visa is valid for 60 days max. You can extend that entry at a local Immigration office for a fee of 1900 Baht giving you another 30 days in-country.

You can still do this with a 'double-entry' tourist visa. Class this as just two singles ok?

If you extended your FIRST tourist visa entry by 30 days (giving you a max of 90 days in Thailand) it will still expire at the end of that term.

You MUST now make a border-run, exit Thailand overland (or by air), return the same day (if you wish) and your second tourist visa part of the 'double-entry' now becomes effective.

You can now repeat the whole process again as you did with the first entry. i.e. extend for 30 days at Immigration after your second 60 day visit.

This gives you the max allowed stay of 2 x 90 days (including the 30 day extensions) in Thailand..........hence 180 days.
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Cubism



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Nigerian Whispers
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