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how much money should I bring to Japan?,gaijin accomodations

 
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psychedelic



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 9:41 am    Post subject: how much money should I bring to Japan?,gaijin accomodations Reply with quote

Hello all,
I want to teach in Japan. I was wondering how much money should I bring to Japan? Does anyone have specific,detailed information on gaijin accomodations (youth hostels,guesthouses,etc.) in Osaka and Fukuoka? The cheaper the better..I know it's Japan..everything's expensive but you know what I mean.

Many thanks! ^^
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

psychedelic,

"Teach" covers a broad area. Are you considering a university position? An eikaiwa? Corporate classes? Private lessons? Kindergarten? High school?

Do you plan to come and look for work, or are you going to line up a job before you come? It makes a huge difference. Basically, plan on bringing US$4000. You never know how long it'll take for that first paycheck. Six weeks? Eight?

Your *beeped* city name was probably F u k u o k a. The auto-censor here thought it was a curse word.

For Osaka, take a look at Kansai Time Out section under classifieds.
http://www.kto.co.jp/

For F-town, the best I can do is this link. Not much on Kyushu online.
http://www.fukuoka-now.com/forums/forum.php?forum=tech

Best of luck.
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Ange



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are no youth hostels in F U K OKA but there is a cheap business hotel near Hakata station for only 2300 a night. I think its the cheapest place to stay. The name is Hotel New Simple.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In and around F U K U O K A city there are a handful of youth hostels, according to the JAPAN YOUTH HOSTELS, INC. brochure and web site.

http://www.jyh.or.jp/english/index.html
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psychedelic



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Glenski,
Thank you for your 3-5 message. ** What's an eikaiwa? Yes, I'm considering private lessons and corporate classes. I'm really tired of the hogwans and academies here in Korea. I'm an experienced teacher. I haven't really thought much about teaching at a university in Japan. I'm planning to come and look for work. I'm concerned about age..I'm 43.

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

psychedelic,

An eikaiwa is a conversation school, sometimes called a language school.

Don't worry about being 43, as long as you show energy and enthusiasm and a decently written resume/cover letter. I'm 46.

Corporate classes are hard to find. Many companies hire out to certain agencies (sometimes eikaiwas) for this.

Private lessons won't pay your rent until you've lived in Japan for a year or more, and even then, that's pushing it. They take a long time to accrue, and most teachers start them by mining their eikaiwa classes.

What's your educational background? Universities require a minimum of a master's degree plus publications. If you're tired of hogwans, you won't want an eikaiwa, so about all you have left is the high schools, kindergartens, elementary schools, junior colleges, and universities. Yeah, that was in jest by saying "all". What are your qualifications?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski,


FYI the Kansai Time Out does not really have much in the way of accomodation listings. Last time I checked there were a few gaijin houses (foreigner hostels) in Osaka and kyoto and one in Shodoshima

A better place to look for current listings of apartments etc is Kansai Flea Market, a free magazine which comes out weekly, while KTO only comes out once a month, and is a little more high-brow than KFM, which has ONLY classifieds.

Go to http://www.kfm.to
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psychedelic



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski,
Thank you for the reply. I really appreciate all the info. on Japan that you've provided to so many people. Quite kind. I've been living in Seoul since last Spring, and am tired of the INCREDIBLY picky,ill-mannered Koreans here..employers,adults,kids etc.."bali bali (hurry hurry) syndrome." I don't know if you've taught Koreans, but some of them are the biggest complainers. There are nice,well-mannered Koreans. I have prior teaching experience in Korea and Taiwan, before coming to Seoul. The age discrimination has gotten discouraging,so I appreciate your words of encouragement. ** Are the Japanese employers and students really picky? Yes, I figured that an eikaiwa was a language school. ** I wouldn't mind teaching at a eikaiwa if I'm just teaching adults..some younger students might be okay. I have a Bachelor's Degree in Sociology. "Plan on bringing $ 4000.00." Oh my gosh. Is there a cheaper way? I've thought about lining up a job. I contacted one employer awhile ago, and didn't get invited. I've contacted some other employers, and haven't heard from them. ** Can you send me your Japan budget information?

** THE GOOD NEWS: I met a really nice Aussie here in Seoul not long ago. He was on vacation. Toby has been teaching in Japan for awhile,used to run a bar etc. He said that he's really done well financially. Basically, he's had students coming to his flat for lessons..said to me he wonders why don't more gaijins do this. To my pleasant surprise, he said that I could come to Osaka..stay at his flat for two weeks and look for a teaching gig. He speaks Japanese. This is his way of repaying the kindness that has been shown to him. I'm still amazed that the guy has offered this. I really want to teach in Fukuoka, but this might be a good first entry to working in Japan. My Japanese visa will be mine. I won't be a slave like I and others are here. He said that I should bring a million won..which is about $800.00 U.S. That's waaaay different than the 4 grand that you mentioned. ** What do you think?

Regards,
psychedelic
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Seoul,South Korea
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Felix



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ange,

I did a search for Hotel New Simple, but couldn't find it. Do you have any contact info by chance?
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Ange



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felix

I am not entirely sure but I have this number in my notebook without a heading and I think it is the number for them. Try 092 411 4311. They dont speak very much English. If the number's not correct let me know and I will ask at the information centre at Hakata Station this weekend.

Glenski - when I arrived in F ukuoka nobody had any information about hostels and I couldn't find anything on the net or travel books either. There is one in Daziafu and I believe that it is the only and closest one to F ukuoka city. I know nothing about gaijin accommodation here.
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Ange



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski - sorry just checked your link and you are right. I wonder if it is new... Still more expensive than New Simple though.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

psychedelic,

To answer some of your questions...

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Are the Japanese employers and students really picky?


I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean by this.

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"Plan on bringing $ 4000.00." Oh my gosh. Is there a cheaper way?


Look at it like this. Even if you come with a job in hand, your first paycheck may not be for 4-6 weeks. You will have to pay rent during that time (50,000 to 80,000 yen times 2 months) so that's 100,000 to 160,000 yen. Your groceries will run another 60,000 to 100,000 yen in that time, insurance will be 5000 yen, utilities may be 20,000 to 30,000, entertainment who knows what, etc. So, in just 6 weeks, you will have to shell out 235,000 to 375,000 yen. I'd say USA$4000 is cutting it pretty close, which is why I often say $4000-5000 is safer. I like to be prepared for emergencies, too. Oh, you can take out a 120,000 yen loan from NOVA (and similar amounts from other places), but you'll have to pay it back almost immediately (in installments for the first 3 months), so that cuts into your regular paycheck. Not something I'd like to do. Now, figure all of these amounts if you come to Japan without a job in hand! You could be looking much longer.

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Can you send me your Japan budget information?


Please send me an email directly. I don't check these boards as often (despite the fact that my name is plastered all over them). My email address is [email protected]

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I met a really nice Aussie here in Seoul not long ago. He was on vacation. Toby has been teaching in Japan for awhile,used to run a bar etc. He said that he's really done well financially. Basically, he's had students coming to his flat for lessons..said to me he wonders why don't more gaijins do this.


Some do. Why does Toby say they don't? I would rather not take my business home with me, even when I was single. I know a married guy who set aside one of his apartment rooms just for teaching. However, apartments are notoriously tiny here, so another reason some may choose not to do that is for this reason. Also, some people just don't want students to know where they live. (Who wants a stalker, or a creepy/bad student to have this information?) Also, some employers set up their teachers' apartments in cheaper tax districts, which means they are fairly distant from the central part of the city. So, if you have private students, they will be hesitant to travel much to get to your home.

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he said that I could come to Osaka..stay at his flat for two weeks and look for a teaching gig. He speaks Japanese. This is his way of repaying the kindness that has been shown to him. I'm still amazed that the guy has offered this. I really want to teach in *beep*, but this might be a good first entry to working in Japan. My Japanese visa will be mine. I won't be a slave like I and others are here. He said that I should bring a million won..which is about $800.00 U.S. That's waaaay different than the 4 grand that you mentioned. ** What do you think?


Did Toby happen to say why only US$800? I've at least given you a breakdown of expenses (and a general one at that). Doesn't he expect you to chip in on rent, even for 2 weeks? Bringing $800 will last you about 2 weeks if you have to set yourself up with a cheap gaijin house and pay for some groceries and transportation fees while you look for a job. (Gaijin houses run 50,000 to 80,000 yen/month.)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that if you come to Japan without a job you should bring at least $4000 US with you. Approximately how much should I bring if I already have a job lined up? thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I understand that if you come to Japan without a job you should bring at least $4000 US with you. Approximately how much should I bring if I already have a job lined up?


I get very frustrated trying to answer questions when people don't provide enough background material. So, do you really have a job lined up or not? I just got through dealing with someone who only dealt in hypothetical situations, and it was impossible to answer him.

If you have a job, please tell us the circumstances. What is the school/company name? When are you coming? Are they paying airfare? Do they pay key money or you? How much is rent? When is your first paycheck expected?

Bottom line, for the sake of emergencies and the unknown, I would still say bring US$4000.
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David W



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2003 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
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I understand that if you come to Japan without a job you should bring at least $4000 US with you. Approximately how much should I bring if I already have a job lined up?


I get very frustrated trying to answer questions when people don't provide enough background material. So, do you really have a job lined up or not? I just got through dealing with someone who only dealt in hypothetical situations, and it was impossible to answer him.

If you have a job, please tell us the circumstances. What is the school/company name? When are you coming? Are they paying airfare? Do they pay key money or you? How much is rent? When is your first paycheck expected?

Bottom line, for the sake of emergencies and the unknown, I would still say bring US$4000.

I'm with Glenski here, his many other talents aside, he's not a bloody mind reader, if you want help, help yourself first. Lift ya game people Rolling Eyes Wink
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