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pest2
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 Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:43 am Post subject: Government school sign in sheets |
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Just a question to all you old-timers of Thailand.
As you might know, government schools have sign sheets. You go in for the morning and sign in... then you are supposed to sign out at the end of the day.
Who reads the sign in sheets? How closely are they monitored?
At my school and one other one i know about for sure, people sign in at one minute increments regardless of when they actually arrived.... For example, if teachers A, B, and C arrived at 823, 830, and 833, respectively, and they were the first three to arrive that day, they would actually write/sign in at 600, 601, and 602 respectively. The first teacher in for a given day always signs in at 600 regardless of what time he or she actually arrived. Not only that, but at the time of arrival, each teacher also signs out (wtf??), as well... at 1630.
Recently, I heard that the Thai government is requiring all teachers and others to show up to work every day even though it is vacation period, now... but at my school, people have chosen not to show up anyway and each day, only about 15 people are signing in/out. For some other reason, I am take a photo, using my camera phone, of the sign in sheet... And, like the other teachers, I am signing out at the same time as I sign in... and I always take the photo immediately after I sign in/out. That would imply that the photo I take of the dated sign in sheet would contain each and every teacher who came to work that day (given that teachers are following the rules -- an anomaly for Thailand, I know) because the sign in sheet also shows a sign out time for each and every teacher in the photo...
So, as per the photos, it would have to be the case that either 1) people are cheating the sign in sheet or 2) alot of teachers are disobeying the rules and not coming in to work despite the government decree...
Just curious about this.. |
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MaiPenRai
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I heard that the Thai government is requiring all teachers and others to show up to work every day even though it is vacation period |
LOL. Let me guess... the teachers or admin at your school told you it was a government rule.
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Who reads the sign in sheets? How closely are they monitored? |
Someone who likes to make trouble. They will come in handy if the school wants an excuse to fire your a*$. lol
In my experience, the whole "sign in/out" sheet at Thai schools varies from school top school. Some are more strict than others. In some cases, teachers are asked to sign in and out during holidays for some RIDICULOUS reason.
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| people sign in at one minute increments regardless of when they actually arrived |
that should show you how "serious" or "important" it is.
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| That would imply that the photo I take of the dated sign in sheet would contain each and every teacher who came to work that day (given that teachers are following the rules -- an anomaly for Thailand, I know |
Not really sure what you mean here, but it sounds like you are the one looking to make the trouble.
Why are you so worried about what others are doing?
IMO, if you are on holiday, there is no need for you to sign in/out.
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despite the government decree |
Sorry but... LOL.
I dont mean to be rude, but can I ask where you are from? It may make a difference on your perceptions of the "rules". |
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pest2
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| MaiPenRai wrote: |
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| I heard that the Thai government is requiring all teachers and others to show up to work every day even though it is vacation period |
LOL. Let me guess... the teachers or admin at your school told you it was a government rule.
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Who reads the sign in sheets? How closely are they monitored? |
Someone who likes to make trouble. They will come in handy if the school wants an excuse to fire your a*$. lol
In my experience, the whole "sign in/out" sheet at Thai schools varies from school top school. Some are more strict than others. In some cases, teachers are asked to sign in and out during holidays for some RIDICULOUS reason.
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| people sign in at one minute increments regardless of when they actually arrived |
that should show you how "serious" or "important" it is.
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| That would imply that the photo I take of the dated sign in sheet would contain each and every teacher who came to work that day (given that teachers are following the rules -- an anomaly for Thailand, I know |
Not really sure what you mean here, but it sounds like you are the one looking to make the trouble.
Why are you so worried about what others are doing?
IMO, if you are on holiday, there is no need for you to sign in/out.
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despite the government decree |
Sorry but... LOL.
I dont mean to be rude, but can I ask where you are from? It may make a difference on your perceptions of the "rules". |
Um, why does my country of origin matter? From your response, I think the obvious question is, like, how long (how many decades) have you been in Thailand/isolated from a society that isn't the embodiment of a complete self-contradiction? See, in normal societies, they have things like sign in sheets with times, names, and numbers for a reason... Like, someone wants to confirm your presence or absence and keep a record of that. Usually, in normal societies, if we are burdened with a thing such as a sign in sheet (but in almost all normal societies they dont have such a requirement because in normal societies people have not become over-conditioned to constantly cheat the system that should benefit them but actually burdens them with arbitrary, purposelessness such as sign in sheets... well, maybe commonwealth countries such as UK and Australia are the exception to that but that's another story..) In the space for "time in" we write the time at which we actually arrived to work; not the time the preceding arrival wrote plus one minute. If they (the omnipotent powers MOD EDIT, the PM, the Redshirts, and whomever elses gives a rat's arse) wanted us to write that, the space for "time in" would not say, "time in," it would say, "time of preceding arrival plus one minute".
Step out of your Thailand shell, look at the question. Its not a crazy one. I have my own good reasons for photographing the sign in sheet and those reasons are neither pertinent nor relevant to the question contained in this post. |
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MaiPenRai
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| how long (how many decades) have you been in Thailand/isolated from a society that isn't the embodiment of a complete self-contradiction? |
7 years off and on. Worked in schools and a Univeristy in a western country as well throughout that time. Thanks for asking.
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Maybe its time for you to return to a "normal" society (as you say) if something this insignificant bothers you this much.
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| in almost all normal societies they dont have such a requirement |
Sorry, but every school that I have worked at in "insert western country here" required teachers to sign in and out for safety issues. I think you will find that in many cases, these types of procedures are quite common. The difference being that they are in place for a purpose that has some meaning. Signing in and out at the same time when you are officially on vacation has no purpose.
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| Just a question to all you old-timers of Thailand. |
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| Step out of your Thailand shell, look at the question. Its not a crazy one |
So...do you want advice from "experienced" Teachers in Thailand or "old-timers", as you say, or not?? And you are right, the question is not crazy, the reaction to the issue is looking a bit over the top IMO. Any "old timer" will probably tell you the same thing and that is what you asked for. Fighting the system will almost always only bring trouble for you in THailand. If you have been working at a school for a few years and have connections, you can start initiating some small changes (sometimes).
You have 2 choices. Follow the "government decree (lol)" at the your school or don't and see what happens as a result. Complaining about it and gathering photo evidence for whatever reason is not going to do much for you in the eyes of most Thai admin except label you a trouble maker and complainer.
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| I have my own good reasons for photographing the sign in sheet and those reasons are neither pertinent nor relevant to the question contained in this post |
Why bring it up then?
Oh and country of origin is often a factor when "farangs" try to deal with "culture" issues at Thai schools. This is speaking from years of experience working with hundreds, if not thousands, of teachers in Thai schools doing training, evaluation, consulting, etc.
Look the point is that this is a reality at some THai schools. How you deal with it is up to you. And IMO, you should worry about your decision and not the decisions of others.
Best of luck. |
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pest2
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| MaiPenRai wrote: |
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| how long (how many decades) have you been in Thailand/isolated from a society that isn't the embodiment of a complete self-contradiction? |
7 years off and on. Worked in schools and a Univeristy in a western country as well throughout that time. Thanks for asking.
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| See, in normal societies |
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| Usually, in normal societies |
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| because in normal societies |
Maybe its time for you to return to a "normal" society (as you say) if something this insignificant bothers you this much.
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| in almost all normal societies they dont have such a requirement |
Sorry, but every school that I have worked at in "insert western country here" required teachers to sign in and out for safety issues. I think you will find that in many cases, these types of procedures are quite common. The difference being that they are in place for a purpose that has some meaning. Signing in and out at the same time when you are officially on vacation has no purpose.
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| Just a question to all you old-timers of Thailand. |
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| Step out of your Thailand shell, look at the question. Its not a crazy one |
So...do you want advice from "experienced" Teachers in Thailand or "old-timers", as you say, or not?? And you are right, the question is not crazy, the reaction to the issue is looking a bit over the top IMO. Any "old timer" will probably tell you the same thing and that is what you asked for. Fighting the system will almost always only bring trouble for you in THailand. If you have been working at a school for a few years and have connections, you can start initiating some small changes (sometimes).
You have 2 choices. Follow the "government decree (lol)" at the your school or don't and see what happens as a result. Complaining about it and gathering photo evidence for whatever reason is not going to do much for you in the eyes of most Thai admin except label you a trouble maker and complainer.
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| I have my own good reasons for photographing the sign in sheet and those reasons are neither pertinent nor relevant to the question contained in this post |
Why bring it up then?
Oh and country of origin is often a factor when "farangs" try to deal with "culture" issues at Thai schools. This is speaking from years of experience working with hundreds, if not thousands, of teachers in Thai schools doing training, evaluation, consulting, etc.
Look the point is that this is a reality at some THai schools. How you deal with it is up to you. And IMO, you should worry about your decision and not the decisions of others.
Best of luck. |
I am pretty sure back in my country, teachers/professors/instructors dont sign in or out... but they have to keep office hours. Since they dont try to cheat the system, as a rule, they dont have sign in sheets to prevent such behavior... no paradox present.
Seven years or not, I can see by the assumptions you make about why Im asking about the sign in sheet that you are used to making alot of crazy assumptions about things (because as EVERYONE knows, the communication is Thailand is "no") rather than basing your assertions on cold hard facts or what people actually wrote down..errr....
And really, if you dont know the answer to the question WHO READS THOSE SIGN IN SHEETS, while it is certainly your right to make side-commentary about it, including attacking the writer of the post in this case, it would surely add to your credibilty if you could just, um.. not say anything at all unless you know the answer to the given question. By the way, what is YOUR country of origin???? |
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bje
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| LOL, gotta be one of the most absurd threads I've ever read on this forum. Bring it on! |
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