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mracine
Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:59 am Post subject: How hard is it to find a job if you're not white |
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I was born in Korea and was adopted at an early age to a white family in Michigan. English is my native and only language.
I was trying to get into the Jet program but did not get accepted. I have about 3 years experience teaching English, a non related bachelors degree, and will have a TEFL certificate soon. I plan to go Japan in August.
I'm am currently living in Thailand and can't make most of the interview for the bigger companies in the US. This only allows me to apply for smaller schools. Although I didn't have too much problems getting a job in Thailand and Korea, I feel I might have some difficulties in Japan.
Do you think it's best for me to wait until I get to Japan to look for a job or search online for one first. I'm currently looking at Dave's for possible jobs. Do you think my race will be a major problem for me?
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Shiggy
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:06 am Post subject: |
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I don't know. Why would it?
Are you under the impression that white people are given precedence? |
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Deep Thirteen
Joined: 23 May 2009 Posts: 39 Location: East Sea Japan
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:09 am Post subject: |
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You'll be able to find something if it is meant for you.
If you can find jobs in Korea and you are of Asian descent, then you'll be fine in Japan. But just as in Korea, there are schools that are only looking for one type of look. It's not a universal thing though. The larger companies tend to be diverse in their teachers I've found. You could try applying to some of them if you are in Japan.
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:11 am Post subject: Re: How hard is it to find a job if you're not white |
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I was born in Korea and was adopted at an early age to a white family in Michigan. English is my native and only language. |
Then tell employers you are American. Period.
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I was trying to get into the Jet program but did not get accepted. |
Could have been due to any number of factors, but not because you are not white.
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I have about 3 years experience teaching English, a non related bachelors degree, and will have a TEFL certificate soon. I plan to go Japan in August. |
Not a very busy month for hiring. And, a week is lost due to Obon. Plan ahead.
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Do you think it's best for me to wait until I get to Japan to look for a job or search online for one first. |
Living in Thailand severely limits you to any jobs in Japan. Unless you get lucky with an employer who does a Skype interview, you're going to have to come here at the right time to look around. |
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mracine
Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:32 am Post subject: |
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I don't know. Why would it?
Are you under the impression that white people are given precedence? |
It has been my experience that the answer is "yes." It hasn't been a problem for me in the US but it is a factor in Asia. I don't know what to expect from Japan, but I have had times before where being not white was a hindrance. I'm not try to complain or cry about it, but I was simply wondering what the situation was in Japan. |
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lenoreelux
Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Posts: 44
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:35 am Post subject: |
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mracine wrote: |
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I don't know. Why would it?
Are you under the impression that white people are given precedence? |
It has been my experience that the answer is "yes." It hasn't been a problem for me in the US but it is a factor in Asia. I don't know what to expect from Japan, but I have had times before where being not white was a hindrance. I'm not try to complain or cry about it, but I was simply wondering what the situation was in Japan. |
I just finsihed training and started my new job in Japan and there were about 10 asians out of 30 in the group. I did have to say that I found it quite amusing when ever we went out, the waiters or customer service reps would go right to the asians and speak Japanese to them and then they were shocked to find out that they could not speak Japanese at all but I could speak some. So yeah, if you are asian in Japan..expect everyone to think that you can speak Japanese.. other than that, I did not see any problems with at least the company I am working for hiring asians. |
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Deep Thirteen
Joined: 23 May 2009 Posts: 39 Location: East Sea Japan
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:24 am Post subject: |
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I can speak firsthand on that since I'm experiencing it now Generally the Japanese are very nice when they find out you don't speak the language fluently (at least the ones I've met), but since I've gotten here, I've had to use my limited ability at the language everytime I come into contact with someone. |
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Bread
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 318
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Deep Thirteen wrote: |
since I've gotten here, I've had to use my limited ability at the language everytime I come into contact with someone. |
That's not necessarily because you're Asian. I'm white and I don't think I've ever had someone approach me with English, it's always Japanese. Completely different from Korea, where everyone would try to speak English to me, even if they didn't know any.
Wait, I just remembered. An elderly pimp came up to me with "You like Japanese girl?" So there you go, it only makes a difference with elderly pimps. |
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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I think the answer is difficult because it depensd on the place you go. Most ot the time I don't think it is diffcilut to find a job for Asians because there are many places who welcome Asians. It is sometimes a little difficult if the school likes to market it's exotic ideas about learning English I suppose.
I think that if a school was going to teach certain things then maybe they worry about the preconceptions involved. Like, if a person is only a housewife and wants to learn English she might think this the way that she is thinking about learning an exotic thing. If she turns up and her teacher is Japanese but teaching her Irish dancing, or Italinan cooking or how to play the digeridoo then she might think that it isn't waht she thought or ecpected. It wouldn't eb like racist but she just likes the hobby or something.
I once had a job interview but I didn't geet the job because my accent wasn't American English. It does happen but don't worry too mush because I think it is mostly rare.
But if you have an Americna accent then maybe you have an advantage over the non-Americans!!  |
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Shiggy
Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 86
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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White. Male. American accent. I should be the perfect candidate.
In the United States, you have it made if you're a black female. Hehe. |
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starteacher
Joined: 25 Feb 2009 Posts: 237
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Correct me if I am wrong, mracine, but is it the image of being Korean or connected to Korea, to be in Japan concerning you ? After all when you introduce yourself, you will have to say that you are of Korean descent when anyone approaches you. Well, you do the same whenyou are at home, right ?
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:48 am Post subject: |
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starteacher wrote: |
After all when you introduce yourself, you will have to say that you are of Korean descent when anyone approaches you. Well, you do the same whenyou are at home, right ?
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Why on earth would mracine have to do that? Surely he/she would just say he/she was American? I don't say "I'm a New Zealander of British and Irish descent" when I introduce myself. Why do you think it's necessary for someone to explain their ethnicity? |
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Deep Thirteen
Joined: 23 May 2009 Posts: 39 Location: East Sea Japan
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:01 am Post subject: |
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Wait, I just remembered. An elderly pimp came up to me with "You like Japanese girl?" So there you go, it only makes a difference with elderly pimps. |
Thank you. I'll remember that. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Apsara wrote: |
starteacher wrote: |
After all when you introduce yourself, you will have to say that you are of Korean descent when anyone approaches you. Well, you do the same whenyou are at home, right ?
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Why on earth would mracine have to do that? Surely he/she would just say he/she was American? I don't say "I'm a New Zealander of British and Irish descent" when I introduce myself. Why do you think it's necessary for someone to explain their ethnicity? |
I've got to agree with Apsara. I wouldn't just explain my ethnicity in England and I don't need to here. I'm a non-white English mongrel (I'd never be allowed to compete in Crufts ) but I've never had anyone dispute my nationality or English ability when I simply tell them I'm British.
Sure many are curious about my ethnicity because I don't fit any of their physical stereotypes: I don't have African facial features but I'm too dark to be Indian, my hair can often pass for Asian, I have the much sort after western high bridged nose and eyes with the visable creases that many an Asian girl has to use tape to achieve anything even close. But none of this curiosity has ever been negative or discrimatory.
In fact, not being white is often a good talking point with students and people in the street alike. Most Japanese have never been to places like the US, UK or anywhere out of Asia and are always very interested in hearing about how diverse society is in many western countries. |
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starteacher
Joined: 25 Feb 2009 Posts: 237
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Let's see what mracine has to say.
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