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Trying to find a job in Japan from New Zealand.

 
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Leith



Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Dunedin, New Zealand

PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:17 am    Post subject: Trying to find a job in Japan from New Zealand. Reply with quote

Hi, im looking to find work in Japan. And have some questions asking about the process.

Firstly, my qualifications:
BA (Majors in both English and Film and Media)
TESOL Cert. from Global TESOL College
21 years (20 August 1988)
Native english (New Zealander)
No teaching experience, but plenty of work expeirence with training others etc.
Prepared to teach anywhere any time, but would like a salary contract
(If you require more info, check out my cover letter on the resume board)

Questions:
1) Based on my qualifications how good are my chances of getting a job in the july-sept period? how good are my chances regardless of the time?

2) Sending resume & cover letters via email, what format should they be in (remember I want to come across as organised, so I dont want my doc. to alter because of someone elses formatting)?

3)I have just applied for some jobs..how long should I wait for replies?

4) If I don't get replies...what should I do? I assume patience is a virtue etc etc?

5) as an entry level teacher what salary should I 'settle' for? As its a big move I dont want to go and find my self having to return in a few months because I cant make enough money (a reason why I'm very weary of GABA)

6) any other advice and tricks that might increase my chances of getting a job?

Thanks heaps,
Leith
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G Cthulhu



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Posts: 1373
Location: Way, way off course.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Trying to find a job in Japan from New Zealand. Reply with quote

Leith wrote:

TESOL Cert. from Global TESOL College
No teaching experience, but plenty of work expeirence with training others etc.


Those two. In the context of Japan, those are worthless IMO. Sorry.

For the rest, it is bog standard: apply to AEON, ECC, Interac, and Altair. If no joy there then try JET, although your odds aren't good there ATM. Read the archives and stickys for more suggestions.

Remember, GEOS has just collapsed, so you're going to have a lot of competition from there. You couldn't have picked a worse time. If you really are willing to go outside the major POAL traps then your chances are much higher.


cheers,
G

chch.nz
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Trying to find a job in Japan from New Zealand. Reply with quote

Leith wrote:
Questions:
1) Based on my qualifications how good are my chances of getting a job in the july-sept period? how good are my chances regardless of the time?
Mediocre. Your qualifications are vanilla standard for most newbies. If I understand you right, you want to apply from NZ instead of coming here to pound the pavement. That's your choice, of course, but you are extremely limited to a dozen or so places that will even consider recruiting abroad, and not all of them contact people in NZ. August is not a great time for recruiting, either.

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2) Sending resume & cover letters via email, what format should they be in (remember I want to come across as organised, so I dont want my doc. to alter because of someone elses formatting)?
What do you mean by "format"? Plenty of posts here have talked about what to put (and not put) on a resume or in a cover letter. Don't be lazy. Search first. If you want your stuff to stand out, just how do you expect anyone here to tell you a way to make it better than the other thousands of newbies?

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3)I have just applied for some jobs..how long should I wait for replies?
As long as it takes. The peak hiring time just ended. If you don't hear in 2-3 weeks, politely try again, but realize that jobs that open up now are "sloppy seconds", which may not be the best choices for various reasons (not always true, of course, but odds are not in your favor).

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4) If I don't get replies...what should I do? I assume patience is a virtue etc etc?
See above. Have you never done any job hunting? If the ad says something like "interviews starting on X date", you can figure if that date has come and gone, and you have not been contacted, that you didn't pass muster on Round 1.

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5) as an entry level teacher what salary should I 'settle' for?
The market here is depressed and full of teachers and wannabes. What used to be a standard 250,000 yen/month may be as low as 180,000. Accept salary as low as that and you propagate lower wages. I'd say in a rural area where rent is lower, you might want to consider 220,000 as low as you should go. Depends on the cost of living there.

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As its a big move I dont want to go and find my self having to return in a few months because I cant make enough money (a reason why I'm very weary of GABA)
You mean "wary"? If you were to make 250K, your average living expenses would eat up half that for basic necessities. So just subtract 125K from any offer and see if that's enough for you to do more than pay rent and utilities, buy food, use the phone/internet, and have insurance.

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6) any other advice and tricks that might increase my chances of getting a job?
1. come here
2. come here at the right time
3. customize every cover letter
4. reply to ads instead of cold-calling
5. wear a suit to the interview, even if on Skype
6. start learning Japanese yesterday
7. learn more about the market here
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Apsara



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 2142
Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Trying to find a job in Japan from New Zealand. Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:


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2) Sending resume & cover letters via email, what format should they be in (remember I want to come across as organised, so I dont want my doc. to alter because of someone elses formatting)?
What do you mean by "format"? Plenty of posts here have talked about what to put (and not put) on a resume or in a cover letter. Don't be lazy. Search first. If you want your stuff to stand out, just how do you expect anyone here to tell you a way to make it better than the other thousands of newbies?



Glenski, I think we can assume that Leith is asking about "format" as in whether it should be a Word document, PDF etc- have you never seen what someone else's computer can do to the layout of something you've gone to all the trouble of making look nice and neat? If you don't understand the question, perhaps it's a bit premature to start calling someone lazy.
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Leith



Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Dunedin, New Zealand

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, seems rather dire. Reagardless, thanks for the replies!

I guess one of the problems I have had from researching online, is that many website (particularly esl sites) give the impression that it is realitively easy to find a job..any time any where. Obviously it is not quite this simple, hence why I have asked for 'realistic' info from people who have or are teaching in Japan.

I have also been looking at other countrys because of the situation in Japan and the timing of my move. Many of these jobs are also painted in rather colourful pictures. However, there seems to be an abundance of jobs in China... and because I am desperate to see the world and have always wanted to visit the country..and Japan might not be the right move just yet... I wounder weather my situation would improve if I open myself up to Job hunting in China. I also get the impression that the pay is not as good, but you are 'looked after' slightly better, as in acommodation is paid for, etc.

Thoughts?

Thanks.
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flyer



Joined: 16 May 2003
Posts: 539
Location: Sapporo Japan

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the Japan thread, try asking in the China one as most have no idea what its like in China, so cannot compare.

If you are serious I would try to see if you can get some experience at teaching in NZ before you come over (to see if its really what you want to do) even just doing a few private lessons

But, as others have said, this is a bad time at the moment (Geos and the school year has just started)
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G Cthulhu



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Location: Way, way off course.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:08 am    Post subject: Re: Trying to find a job in Japan from New Zealand. Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
If you don't understand the question, perhaps it's a bit premature to start calling someone lazy.


Glenski has been in Japan too long: his abilty to misunderstand and miss the bleedin' obvious is growing every day. Smile
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, let's see here.

Format, as in what type of program you should use?
Format, as in what style the resume should be in?
Format, as in whether tables are acceptable or not?
Format, as in paper or web version?

Bleeding obvious, my eye.

And, yes, I have seen what various computers do to resume "formats". Many employers don't even want attachments, nor do they want things with bold, italic, underlines, etc., so they just ask for a dry-looking ASCII "format" so that they can scan for keywords.

There is no real standard.

Send it in a Word document without using tables, unless the advertisement stresses otherwise.

My comment about "laziness" was trying to cover the many bases that countless previous threads have posted with regard to content as well. I mean, some people regard that as format, too.
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