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decafdave



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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:32 am    Post subject: Budget seems a bit off Reply with quote

Hey everyone,

I'm considering teaching abroad in Taiwan (as well as S korea and Japan) this coming August/September and am putting together some preliminary budgets to estimate how much savings I'll have at the end. But for some reason my end savings seems to be slightly higher than what certain websites say they should be. I do drink a couple times a week but would probably only go clubbing once every 1-2 weeks.

I'll post a single month's budget below and I'd really appreciate it if people who have taught in Taiwan could tell me about any red flags I may be missing.

Quick note: as I understand the first 6 months I'd be taxed 20% and the next 6 months 10% so I assumed this month to be the former.


Monthly Amt.
Salary 48,000
income tax 9,600
health ins 500
rent & utilities 12,500
Take home NT =25,400

Food 3,600
Entertainment 2,500
Travel 1,600
Misc 800
Savings* =16,900 *For the last 6 months I estimate 21,700

With these numbers I have a yearly savings of about $ 7,380 USD.


Anyone have any thoughts on this? Also, is my salary conservative enough since I'll have just graduated with a 4 year degree?

I also estimated about NT 44,000 will be enough as start-up money.

Thanks again!
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Dr_Zoidberg



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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Monthly Amt.
Salary 48,000
income tax 9,600
health ins 500
rent & utilities 12,500
Take home NT =25,400

Food 3,600
Entertainment 2,500
Travel 1,600
Misc 800
Savings* =16,900 *For the last 6 months I estimate 21,700


A few questions:

1. In which city do you plan on living?

2. What do you include in "travel"?

3. Do you plan on cooking at home, or buying out? Either way the amount you allotted for food is rather low.
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decafdave



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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr_Zoidberg wrote:
Quote:
Monthly Amt.
Salary 48,000
income tax 9,600
health ins 500
rent & utilities 12,500
Take home NT =25,400

Food 3,600
Entertainment 2,500
Travel 1,600
Misc 800
Savings* =16,900 *For the last 6 months I estimate 21,700


A few questions:

1. In which city do you plan on living?

2. What do you include in "travel"?

3. Do you plan on cooking at home, or buying out? Either way the amount you allotted for food is rather low.


Thanks for getting back to me.

1. I'd like to live in Taipei but am open to other cities like Taichung or Kaohsiung depending on where the opportunities are. Since I don't have any experience I might have to use a recruiter-do you think this is a wise choice? Anyways about location where does my housing estimate fit on the spectrum of rural all the way to Taipei?

2. In travel I include all commuting costs (don't want to assume an employer will pay for it) and occasional weekend trips around the island. Going back to America for Christmas is just too speculative right now although I'll keep in mind I'll need a lot more for that.

3. I mostly plan on buying/eating out. I visited Taipei for a month a few years ago and know that there are a lot of cheap noodle stands and whatnot. But I would like to eat at either a sit-down Taiwanese restaurant once every couple of days (have to get some Dim Sum after all) and Western fast food maybe once a week (great for hangovers).
How much NT would you recommend I plan to budget per week? Hmmm..I'm also a big fan of milk tea but I'm not sure if I should account for such a small cost.
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

decafdave wrote:

1. I'd like to live in Taipei but am open to other cities like Taichung or Kaohsiung depending on where the opportunities are. Since I don't have any experience I might have to use a recruiter-do you think this is a wise choice? Anyways about location where does my housing estimate fit on the spectrum of rural all the way to Taipei?


12 500 NT will get you a rancid sh*t hole in Taipei, marginally better if you share. The further from central Taipei you go, the nicer the place you will get for your money.

In Taichung, 12 500 NT will get you a very nice studio or a fantabulous apartment if you care to share one.

I won't comment on Kaohsiung because I've never lived there.

If you find a job through a recruiter, you will likely be living in a small town out in the county somewhere. You'd a get a great apartment there for 12 500 per month - if only you could find one.

decafdave wrote:

2. In travel I include all commuting costs (don't want to assume an employer will pay for it) and occasional weekend trips around the island. Going back to America for Christmas is just too speculative right now although I'll keep in mind I'll need a lot more for that.

For 1 200 NT per month, you would be traveling by bus. If this includes transportation to / from work during the week, you probably won't be doing much traveling around the island - especially if you live in Taipei.

I take a trip up to Taipei every now and again. Bus fare there and back, lunch, dinner...good-bye 1000 NT.

decafdave wrote:

3. I mostly plan on buying/eating out. I visited Taipei for a month a few years ago and know that there are a lot of cheap noodle stands and whatnot.

I don't recommend eating out regularly because of the food is not at all healthy. The cheaper the meal, the worse for your health it is.

decafdave wrote:

But I would like to eat at either a sit-down Taiwanese restaurant once every couple of days (have to get some Dim Sum after all) and Western fast food maybe once a week (great for hangovers).
How much NT would you recommend I plan to budget per week?

Depending on the quality of the restaurant, a single sit-down meal will run anywhere from 150NT - 300 NT

decafdave wrote:

Hmmm..I'm also a big fan of milk tea but I'm not sure if I should account for such a small cost.

One milk tea per day @ 35NT per cup x 30 days = 1050 NT. That's a significant chunk of what you've allotted for food.

Assuming you eat cheap beef noodles / fried rice for lunch and dinner, a single sandwich for breakfast (BLEH!), and one cup of milk tea each day...

Breakfast - 15NT
Lunch - 65 NT
Dinner - 65 NT
Milk Tea - 35 NT

Total - 180 NT

Multiply that by 30 days for a total of 5400 NT per month. Do note, I'm using Taichung prices. It may cost you more in Taipei.
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Hightop



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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last month I spent 13,000 on food. That is cooking at home and eating out. Breakfast always at home and 50% of lunch and dinners at home. That is just eating normal healthy food (meat, vegetables, fruit, cereal, milk and the like) with the occasional western restaurant thrown in. I think for 3,600 you will not be eating well at all.

Saving money on 48,000 a month will not be easy at all. If you want to save decent money go to Korea or Japan, work some privates and you will be saving at least $1000usd a month without having to compromise your standards of living. Trying to save on 48,000 a month will be a hard slog and more than likely will leave you not enjoying your time here.
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steve_c



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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Taoyuan; here are some of my basic monthly expenses, averaged over the past 6 months (I keep track on a spreadsheet):

Rent 5,500 (one-person apt., includes Internet)
Elec 500 (will at least double in the summer)
Water 100
Phone card 300
Food 10,000
Household 1,800 (non-food stuff for house)
Laundry 700 (don't have my own washer)
Transportation 500 (bus, train, MRT in Taipei)
Scooter 600 (gas, minor repairs)
Clothing/haircut 650
Entertainment 2,000 (includes travel in Taiwan, which I haven't done much of in the past 6 months)
TOTAL: NT 22,650

If you want to see what my 5,500 rent pays for, you can see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv2lAdWEjUU

As for food: I eat out everyday, at least lunch and dinner, usually at cheap food stands (but I often make a salad at home).

Lunch is about 30-50nt (zhuabing, biandang, 7-11 sandwich, etc.) dinner about 80-100nt (beef noodle, chicken and veggies, etc.) I eat fast food (MosBurger, don�t care for McD�s or KFC) about once a week (120NT). I eat at sit-down restaurants about 2 to 6 times a month (100-300NT) almost always as part of a social gathering.

My biggest food splurge is imported coffee beans, which costs about 600/month, and Pizza Hut (550 for 2 large pizzas, but that order lasts me for 4 days). Alcohol can be expensive; I limit myself to 2 bottles of cheap wine (300nt) a month.

Of course, I have other expenses not listed here (life insurance, Chinese learning, pet costs, etc.), but this will give you an idea.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quick note: as I understand the first 6 months I'd be taxed 20% and the next 6 months 10% so I assumed this month to be the former.

That's true if you're here for the full calendar year. However, since you'll be arriving after the first 182 days of the year, you'll be taxed at 20% for the remaining part of 2010, plus for the first 6 months of 2011. Your rate will drop for the last half of 2011.
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I also estimated about NT 44,000 will be enough as start-up money.

It's doable. It depends on many factors, especially how quickly you find work and your apartment cost. My first apartment was 9,500nt/month. I was supposed to pay for the first month plus 2 months deposit (28,500 total), but my school negotiated with the landlord, and I didn't have to pay the 2nd month deposit until 4 months later, which certainly helped.
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zipper



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve_C: You could always buy a second hand/used washing machine for as low as 1500 NT. I paid 2500 NT for one a few months ago, and we have had no problems with it thus far. We use it daily. Not much of a difference with the water and electric bill, either.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zipper wrote:
Steve_C: You could always buy a second hand/used washing machine for as low as 1500 NT. I paid 2500 NT for one a few months ago, and we have had no problems with it thus far. We use it daily. Not much of a difference with the water and electric bill, either.

Thanks for the info. Honestly, though, my apartment is pretty tiny, and I don't think I would have room for it (see further up this topic for a link to my apartment video). Plus, if I'm forced to go to the laundromat, I have nothing else to do but study Chinese or prepare lessons, instead of staying home and surfing the damn Internet. Better for me to practice Chinese with the folks doing their laundry than to be at home, eyes glazed over as I watch yet another silly YouTube video Smile
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve_c wrote:
zipper wrote:
Steve_C: You could always buy a second hand/used washing machine for as low as 1500 NT. I paid 2500 NT for one a few months ago, and we have had no problems with it thus far. We use it daily. Not much of a difference with the water and electric bill, either.

Thanks for the info. Honestly, though, my apartment is pretty tiny, and I don't think I would have room for it (see further up this topic for a link to my apartment video). Plus, if I'm forced to go to the laundromat, I have nothing else to do but study Chinese or prepare lessons, instead of staying home and surfing the damn Internet. Better for me to practice Chinese with the folks doing their laundry than to be at home, eyes glazed over as I watch yet another silly YouTube video Smile
That's the spirit! Not to mention that you are probably getting some extra exercise transporting your laundry back and forth. I bought a small one, and it fits easily into a bathroom or balcony. Your apt is nice and sweet! Enjoy! Cheers!
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